Quote I think your statement…Quote (david @ Nov. 12 2008,15:17)believe this simply because they're told to believe it,pretty much sums up the JWs who believe what “Watchtower” says rather than what the scriptures say.WJ, I think you missed what I was saying. Most JW's will give a string of scriptures explaining why they don't believe God is a…[Read more]

I forgot about this thread.

Quote Do you think the RCC and her offspring have any spiritual relevance at all?Does anyone else find it odd, that on here, and in real life, Catholics generally don't have any great desire to discuss the Bible?I think it's because if a Catholic came on here, they would be attacked from every side and they wouldn't know how to make a defense for…[Read more]

Quote in my opinion, and in the opinion of literally millions of other Christians, trinity is found in the scriptures… there…. now that wasn't so difficult, was it? or was that really difficult for you to figure out…?And in my opinion, 96% of the people who believe that the trinity is found in scripture, believe this simply because they're…[Read more]

I would actually really like a reply to my post on the previous page. Eppy, I know you did reply previously to what I said, but it's the questions I asked that I wonder about.

On page 540 of trinity thread, Is 1:18 stated:Quote “The 'First and Last', 'Alpha and Omega' verses are the strongest possible proof that Yahshua claimed to be God (YHWH), as this is a title that YHWH exclusively reserves for Himself. “It's only strong proof if you ignore the context of many scriptures and forget how the message was presented and…[Read more]

Quote Secondly, your quotation of Rev. 1:17-18 says that “first” means “firstborn”, this isn't the case. You saidQuote“And when I saw him , I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, Yes, “first” does not mean firstborn. True. It wasn't clear at all, my post. I thi…[Read more]

Quote JESUS IS CALLED THE “FIRST AND THE LAST” IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY AND FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS THAN JEHOVAH IS CALLED THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND LAST. AND, WHAT'S MORE, THE CONTEXT, AND THE REST OF THE BIBLE IS ASTOUNDINGLY CLEAR ON WHY BOTH JESUS AND GOD ARE FIRST AND LAST IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RESPECTS.Anyone…[Read more]

this thread is on “alpha/omega”

EPPY,Quote I “played”, and you still don't seem happy.No, I'm glad someone finally responded.Quote By saying “All the firsts and lasts” I was referring to your selection of various passages throughout the NT where “first” is used of Jesus…. I highly doubt that John wanted his readers to think of all these rather different uses of the term, eg…[Read more]

Quote Then I guess you can't tell very much at all It seems you haven't been around many in the Reformed camp have you….?It's just I never ever hear anyone on here mention it.  And yet, it is more important than most anything on here.Quote So while many times, while we usually disagree, it seems your posts are well thought out (or at least…[Read more]

Eppy,I really wish I had actual time to discuss this. I will read your post more fully when I get back. I'm just too rushed for time right now to get into this.david

Quote If “first” is used of Him in one place in Scripture, it surely does not mean that we must read that usage into every single time that same word is used of Him elsewhere in Scripture.In Rev 1:5, he is called the “The FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD,”. . . So, when we read in verse 1:17, it's not too hard to remember back those 12 verses.It's not jus…[Read more]

Quote In fact, it is highly doubtful that he wanted his readers to think of all the other 'firsts” and “lasts”, Not sure what you mean by “all the other” firsts and lasts. Here is how scripture demontrates him to be first:REVELATION 1:5“and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD,”. . . “ACTS 26:23“Chris…[Read more]

Quote First, there is no necessary or evident connection between your saying that when “first and last” is used of Christ, it automatically must mean that He is first and last in the other senses as used of Him in other Scriptures.did you read the context of the scripture? Or any of my post?

Quote However, God is Spirit, God is Holy, and there is only “One Spirit”.The Lord is that Spirit!“But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.””As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit,””to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healings by that one spirit, “”For truly by one spirit we were all…[Read more]

Quote Yeah… funny…. I say exactly the same sorts of things about poeple like you…. especially things like “If a person can't see the obvious, then they have a form of blindness. Bias, indoctrination, institutions, pride of the learned, all play their part.”Eppy, we're just looking at the math.Jehovah–Called God 6 or 7 thousand…[Read more]

Quote Quote Rev.1:5-8 …To Him Who is loving us and looses us from our sins by His blood6 and makes us a kingdom and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and might for the eons of the eons! Amen!7 Lo! He is coming with clouds, and every eye shall be seeing Him-those, also, who stab Him-and all the tribes of the land shall be grieving…[Read more]

Quote Again David, you still do not get it. Biblical Monotheism demands that John 1:1c not to be interpreted as “a god” for that would be a violation of the Hebrew text…Quote The Coptic believers must have realized this. Or is it possible that the Coptic translators were also biased and possibly unbelievers?Or, perhaps they simply read the book…[Read more]

Quote Thank you for openly and honestly admitting that the Scriptures do in fact say that Jesus is God. And you know what….? I have such a high regard and respect and reverence for God's word that all it has to do is say something 1 time, and I am bound to accept it…. so if the Scriptures only said Jesus was God once, then guess what? That's…[Read more]