Quote Hi 942767.    So do you feel that this scripture, 1Tim.4:9-11 is not true?If scripture contradicts itself, then who are we to believe?Lets discuss other scripture that you feel disproves this scripture.  It would be interesting. the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,–1 tim 4:9-11. (Also see 1 tim 2:4; John 12:32, Romans 5:…[Read more]

Quote I have read this question before and struggle to understand it.Me as well. “If Jesus isn't God, how can we be saved.”Well, how were we condemned? Through the act of one perfect man (without inherited sin). How can we be saved? Through the act of one perfect man, Jesus.The Bible says it was a “corresponding ransom.”1 TIMOTHY 2:5-6“For t…[Read more]

What did Thomas mean when he said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”?This scripture comes up a lot.On the occasion of Jesus’ appearance to Thomas and the other apostles, which had removed Thomas’ doubts of Jesus’ resurrection, the now-convinced Thomas exclaimed to Jesus: “My Lord and my God! .” (Joh 20:24-29) Some scholars have viewed this expressi…[Read more]

Daniel B. Wallace says about Sharp: “His strong belief in Christ’s deity led him to study the Scriptures in the original in order to defend more ably that precious truth … As he studied the Scriptures in the original, he noticed a certain pattern, namely, when the construction article-noun-και-noun involved personal nouns which were sin…[Read more]

Quote a translation that is full of errors and misquotes!Such as…..?Quote The definition of the word “Theos” is not “divine”!Agreed.  It should definitely be translated “a god.”  I agree.  But many trinitarians will do anything to not see it translated literally as “a god” as it appears in the Coptic.Quote Scripture declares there is only “O…[Read more]

Quote you have yet to enlighten us as to the actual meaning of the word “god.” What is it? Do tell.–davidWJ's response:The Biblical definition is “One True God”SERIOUSLY?The Biblical definition of “God” is “One True God.” That's the meaning of the word “god”? Really WJ?You're starting to seem to me like those people that say God's name is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2008,18:19)Quote What meaning? Your meaning or Watchtowers? Can you show me where the definition of “theos” is “a mighty one”. Surely God is mighty, but that is not the definition of “theos”. You say Jehovah is the “almighty”, so does that mean that every time you see the word “theos” referring to the Father it means “al…[Read more]

Considering all the comments that John 1:1 gets in other threads, there's not very many people commenting on this.http://copticjohn.blogspot.com/

Quote I suppose he hasn’t read the context of Titus 2:13, because if he had he would plainly see that it is clearly Jesus that Paul is speaking of…while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that…[Read more]

Quote What meaning? Your meaning or Watchtowers? Can you show me where the definition of “theos” is “a mighty one”. Surely God is mighty, but that is not the definition of “theos”. You say Jehovah is the “almighty”, so does that mean that every time you see the word “theos” referring to the Father it means “almighty one” but when the word “theo…[Read more]

Quote Again, how can an ambiguous argument be unshakeable? These are your words…Because, as I've explained, my argument is not that this text must be translated “a god” but rather that it is not certain at all that it must be translated “God” as you believe. You would argue that it is not ambiguous. I am simply arguing that it is, although I f…[Read more]

For people wanting a quick look at sharps “rule” start here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granville_Sharp

Quote Apparently you haven’t heard of the “Grandville Sharp” rule?From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours. 2 Peter 1:1 NETThe terms “God and Savior” both refer to the same person, Jesus Christ. This is o…[Read more]

Quote So get off your high horse in accusing Trinitarians of only following what some one tells them when this is exactly what your organization does.–WJIT IS SIMPLY A STATEMENT OF FACT……That most trinitarians have no clue in the least, whatsoever to any degree, how to back up their beliefs in the trinity, using scripture.SIMPLY A STATEMENT…[Read more]

Quote Where David? Where is there a scripture of any being with “divine attributes” or “divine qualities” called gods?Where, did I say that the human judges who were called “gods” or the angels who were called “gods” were described as having “divine attributes”?Did I do that? I don't remember doing that.Both the angels and the human judges…[Read more]

Quote Wow, your argument is “unshakeable”? That’s a pretty bold statement to make especially when you are basing your argument on an “ambiguous” translation of the Greek text.EARTH TO DAVID!!! Only God is “unshakeable”…My argument is simply that the “word is God” translation isn't as unshakeable as many believe. And this is the case. So it's ha…[Read more]

Quote the most important point of it was that there is indeed much scriptural support for the title being a title of preeminence, Well, you can say that Jesus replied “I am” before Abraham, and that you have other supposed trinity proofs, which make you look at this scripture in that light.BUT, you can't say that this scripture is actual proof…[Read more]

Quote And just how do you know what is in the hearts of millions of believers?I have been under the belief that “believers” believe the Bible, and believe Jesus. If Jesus said to “Go and make disciples” yet these are reluctant to even discuss Jesus or the Bible, how am I to take that?Quote Millions of believers believe Jesus died for their sins…[Read more]

Since it's nowhere to be found in the Bible, the obvious next question is: where did the idea come from?Upon close examination, we find a boatload of things that “Christians” borrowed or incorporated into “Christianity.”It just so happens the trinity is one of them.No one is saying: “The trinity is false because pagan's believed in a…[Read more]

Eppy,Quote As far as judges and demons being called gods, these are clearly different cases.Obviously. They're not the same case, are they?But it does tell us something about the use of the word “god.” In the Bible, angels, and humans are called “gods.”Quote You won't see the judges of Israel or demons being called “God” AND being called…[Read more]