Quote No, here you have it:Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.The earth appears before the thing that caused its matter to accrete in the first place. stu, I understand your maddness. But where does it say what you suggest.If I said: “A long time ago, the heavens and the earth came to be” this would be true. It's not…[Read more]

Quote “In the third era god created….”, it very clearly and distinctly says DAYS. Not periods, eras, whatever. IAnd yet, if we let the Bible itself define what day meant in that text, we know it cannot mean 24 hour day. Just after that account all the days were lumped into one “day”: “in the day” that God created those things.In that insta…[Read more]

Quote Oh, the non-literal, spiritualised exegesis…convenient. The JWs are literal when it suits them though, I've noticed.So you believe this is literal?And his feet will actually stand in that day upon the mountain of the olive trees, which is in front of Jerusalem, on the east; and THE MOUNTAIN of the olive trees MUST BE SPLIT at its middle,…[Read more]

Quote Interesting post. I think you've oversimplified and misrepresented my argument and haven't really addressed any of the specific points I made. Hi Paul. True, it's been a while. And yes, I did simplify it a lot. I find it a frustrating … coincidence… that a lot of explanation is often required for weak points. If your one main…[Read more]

Quote God uses these Powers to bring about His purposes–geneOr don't you mean “powers” used these powers to bring about…..The problem is, when we see the word God, it is definitely referring to an intelligent being, with characteristics.The word “power” in no way explains most of these characteristics. One of God's main characteristics, is…[Read more]

Heb 8:6-9 Jer 31:31-33Quote IN WHAT WAYS IS THE SABBATH SUPPOSE TO BE OBSERVED AND/OR LIVED?“The sons of Israel must keep the sabbath, so as to carry out the sabbath during their generations.”“It was not with our forefathers that Jehovah concluded this covenant , but with us, all those of us alive here today.”—Deut. 5:3.“I am Jehovah your God,…[Read more]

Quote How's everyone going?It will be 1 year tomorrow since I made the Zechariah 14 post and still no reply from T8. T8, do you intend to respond to this post?–Paul.I think his lack of a response is based on the fact that there is nothing real to respond to, Is 1:18.I would respond and go through your….umm, arguments, 🙂 if the thread was…[Read more]

Perhaps we should ask you cindy: What do the 70 weeks mean?

“Or should I ask, does any one care?”–CindyThe Jews cared. They cared a lot. History and not just the Bible show that many Jews were in expectation of the Messiah around the time that Jesus was annointed.But, this Messiah was not what they wanted or expected. They wanted liberation from the yoke of Rome. They wanted to be kings, and now.This…[Read more]

Quote I have suspended judgement and claim not to know–stuFor someone who over and over again claims not to know anything (for certain) and hides in this area of the unknowable, stu, you tend to have very strong opinions and they all seem to be on one side.I find it interesting that T8 spoke of your “religion,” for while not believing in God,…[Read more]

Quote Gene,What is your Scriiptural evidence for saying that the plural “elohim” is a reference to “powers” exclusively. It is also a word that denotes “persons.” I am glad that you have pointed out that the word “elohim” is a plural word. This draws attention to my argument. And I do not dispute that it refers to “powers”. But your statement…[Read more]

Quote So david ,If you think you have one verse then show us the comparative verse as you recommended in your test.First of all, I don't think I have one verse. Malachi 3 is speaking of Jesus, as you yourself have already acknowledged.Guess what it calls him? There is no symbolic language here. It wasn't allegorical, or metaphorical. OK, I'd…[Read more]

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Quote Hi david,Surprising you would rely on a quote from t8 ahead of scripture.Of course I don't put his words ahead of scripture.  I'm just making it obvious that one of you two is wrong.  Which one of you aren't from the body of Christ?You continue to make accusations in the other thread we are having discussions in right now, that JW's are w…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2009,10:39)The Encyclopedia Canadiana (Under Jehovah’s Witnesses), second paragraph:“The work of Jehovah's Witnesses is the revival and re-establishment of the primitive Christianity practiced by Jesus and his disciples during the first and second centuries of our era.  Their services are kept simple.  They have no ornat…[Read more]

Quote You need the Spirit they moved in to have the link that matters.Would the same spirit create the same beliefs, conduct, and actions? I think it would.

Read Malachi 3:1.Read it in Hebrew.Then, compare Matthew 11:10. Matthew 11:10 makes plain that it was talking about Jesus. Guess what word is used in Malachi 3:1?That's right–The Hebrew word for Angel/Messenger.

I'm curious Nick. I've posted T8's comments a few times now. Have you read them any of those times?

I'm quite positive they all were witnesses of Jehovah and of his Son. Would you like a list, from the Bible?