As a moderator I'm going to have to insists that we keep this discussion focused on slavery.(Fine print: I'm not a moderator)

Quote As I pointed out to David, a man could choose to marry a woman captive bit in doing so would free her and even if he then chose to divorce her she would not return to slavery but was free to make her own choices. Kerwin, could you point out which part of the scripture days this. I'm not sure it says this. I'm not sure it says she becomes…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 04 2014,11:12)Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2014,11:45)Slavery is a type of employment contract whose terms vary from age to age and culture to culture.It could be, Kerwin.  Some poor people sold themselves to others.  The agreement is that they would receive room and board, and in turn they would do laborious work for their o…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 04 2014,09:51)Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2014,04:45)Slavery is a type of employment contract whose terms vary from age to age and culture to culture.  Death is sometimes the only way out of it but even then some have escaped by self exile and other ways.What do you man by:1. Employment2. ContractIf I and my nation go to your…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2014,13:11)David,Quote I'm not sure the man “frees her from captivity” by marrying her.   In what sense is she free?  She can't leave of her own will?More nonsense from modern feminist that seem to envy and hate women.That is a lot of things my government bans me from doing.  Does that mean I am not free?  I have had emp…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2014,05:02)David,It was complicated as it appears a father had the last say in the matter.  If a man had sex with an unmarried woman he had no choice but to marry her, Exodus 22:16-17.  Her father had the power to veto the potential marriage but even then the man had to pay her bride price.  The powers she had in the af…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2014,04:45)Slavery is a type of employment contract whose terms vary from age to age and culture to culture.  Death is sometimes the only way out of it but even then some have escaped by self exile and other ways.What do you man by:1. Employment2. ContractIf I and my nation go to your home right now and take you by force…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 04 2014,04:36)There is nowhere wives are called slaves in Scripture though I believe women could become free through marriage.For all intents and purposes, those words were synonyms in the bible. Kerwin, could you expand on what you mean. I believe that if a man sold his daughter to another man (Israelites) and the man…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,12:21)Ahhh…….. It seems you and I agree, David.  You can notice a little “standoffishness” in my last post – because I was under the impression that YOU were here to preach to us about how “bad” slavery is!My ambiguous statement was supposed to convey:  EVEN IF I personally found slavery appalling, I sure w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2014,12:21)Ahhh…….. It seems you and I agree, David.  You can notice a little “standoffishness” in my last post – because I was under the impression that YOU were here to preach to us about how “bad” slavery is!My ambiguous statement was supposed to convey:  EVEN IF I personally found slavery appalling, I sure w…[Read more]

Quote (keras @ April 02 2014,18:50)The Sixth Trumpet is an allegory of a huge army, that is actually a plague. It kills one third of mankind. The gathering of the real army which will go up to attack Jerusalem, is the Sixth Vial, Rev 16:12All that, of course, is during the Great Tribulation – the last 3.5 years before the Return. Why worry about…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 15 2009,15:55)The Bible speaks of “Jerusalem above”, “heavenly Jerusalem” or “new Jerusalem.” (2 Peter 3:13) But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.Righteousness will dwell in both the “new heavens” AND “new earth.”I would consider the new…[Read more]

Mike. Have we just become too soft?PROVERBS 26:3A whip for the horse, a halter for the donkey, and a rod for the backs of fools!PROVERBS 19:29Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools.PROVERBS 10:13 Wisdom is found on the lips of the discerning, but a rod is for the back of him who lacks judgment.PROVERBS 18:6“The l…[Read more]

Hi terrYes. Ownership of foreigners (as slaves). Having non-Israelites as forced slaves, as property or a possession. I'm not sure what you are asking.

Quote Young females were sold into marriage or slavery all the time in the Biblical days. They didn't have a say in the matter, because they were possessions of the men. And a person can do whatever he want with his own possessions, right?–mikeAlmost anything. To be fair they couldn't beat them so badly that they died, or destroy their eyes or…[Read more]

Mike. Your statement was somewhat ambiguous. Do you find forced slavery appalling?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,07:26)Quote (david @ Mar. 29 2014,12:14)I am mostly asking about FORCED slavery/servant hood And what are you asking about it?  If you want to debate whether it is “bad” or not, I guess that calls for personal feelings, opinions and speculation.All I can tell you is that slavery has been practiced for almost as…[Read more]

Quote … They were never intended to have equal rights with men.Young females were sold into marriage or slavery all the time in the Biblical days. They didn't have a say in the matter, because they were possessions of the men. And a person can do whatever he want with his own possessions, right?–mike I wish we could return to the good old…[Read more]

Quote And what are you asking about it? If you want to debate whether it is “bad” or not, I guess that calls for personal feelings, opinions and speculation.I'm not sure how t8 would argue that forced slavery is bad. (Or intrinsically bad). I don't know how personal feelings play into it. God allowed it, created rules regulating it, encouraged…[Read more]

Quote We consider ourselves so much more “enlightened” today, and can therefore condemn those from our past who didn't do things the way we would do them today. We do this also with the issue of women's rights. We have become so “enlightened” that we often forget that God made woman as a possession and helper FOR man. They were never intended…[Read more]