can I play moderator for a moment Nick and ask that this conversation go somewhere else. I'm actually trying to keep this thread fairly focused on the coptic translation.Thankyou.

Quote I believe any sane person can see the shallow nature of the Watchtower reasoning.  The fact is:  THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE THAT THEY CAN POINT TO, SAYING CLEARLY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS MICHAEL.  Do not let the JWs get away from this fact, but press them on it.–WJI quoted WJ's words above and then said:Quote I find this argument ex…[Read more]

See what I just did in the above post. It is a classic Nick move. It doesn't make sense. It throws you off. It misrepresents. It re-directs. It ….. annoys. And, it is a question that doesn't answer anything.Nick, why do you do that?

Quote Hi david,Everybody quotes scripture to support their false doctrines.–Nick.And so you think that just because everyone else does it, you should do it too?

Quote I find it hillarious that you are admitting to making the same argument of a Trinitarian.–WJQuote Yes I found it surprising that David was making that argument as well. He sort of inadvertedly invalidated his own doctrine. –Is 1:18If I invalidated my own doctrine, as you say Is 1:18, then I must have also invalidated yours. I was simply…[Read more]

Quote What is a malwahk?If memory serves me, that is the spelling T8 used of the Hebrew “Malakh”. (Or, maybe I was just spelling it wrong.)Malakh is the word that literally means “messenger.” It is also translated “angel.”

The question arises: Why does Matthew leave out some names that are contained in the listings of the other chroniclers? First of all, to prove one’s genealogy it was not necessary to name every link in the line of descent. For example, Ezra, in proving his priestly lineage, at Ezra 7:1-5, omitted several names contained in the listing of the p…[Read more]

Sorry that the above is garbled.The difference in nearly all the names in Luke’s genealogy of Jesus as compared with Matthew’s is quickly resolved in the fact that Luke traced the line through David’s son Nathan, instead of Solomon as did Matthew. (Lu 3:31; Mt 1:6, 7) Luke evidently follows the ancestry of Mary, thus showing Jesus’ natural descent…[Read more]

BIBLE LISTS OF JESUS’ GENEALOGY Genesis 1 Chronicles Matthew Lukeand Ruth Chaps 1, 2, 3 Chap 1 Chap 3Adam Adam AdamSeth Seth SethEnosh Enosh EnoshKenan Kenan Cai…[Read more]

Hi Nick.Then you should quote more scripture, and ask less questions when someone asks you a question. Do you not think this is so?

Things you must just come to accept:1. Nick asks questions. He doesn't answer them. Answering questions is not in his contract. 2. Nick doesn't answer questions.C. Nick likes to answer questions with questions, even though his questions don't answer the first question.4. Nick hates answering things.7. Nick feels it's his job to ask questions,…[Read more]

Quote Why, perhaps it was easier to adapt existing practices to your own then to create them in total from scratch? Maybe because some of these pagan practices were deemed effective? I believe it was all about converts. In 601 A.D. Pope Gregory the First issued a now famous edict to his missionaries concerning the native beliefs and customs of…[Read more]

Quote Jesus was not some “god” who shared in God's nature. He was THE REAL THING!And so, when the Bible says other humans will be granted “divine nature” that means they are “the real thing” as well? That means they are part of the trinity? (2 Pet 1:4)

Quote Go read “The City of God” by St. Augustine. It was extremely clear to himIt was clear to him, until he perhaps read the Bible. At that point, it wasn't. Do you know what a “retraction” is? Apparently not. While augustine went with the flow for most of his life, as most Catholics do, when he looked at what the passage actually said, he…[Read more]

Quote It is CLEAR that Peter received an office to operate in the capacity of ROCK for Jesus Christ. Augustine says it's not that clear.One says it's “clear” because you need it to be clear, or….well, you need it to be clear. But it is obviously not. If you look at the actual words, as Augustine points out, it is not directly said. So it is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,08:56)Quote (david @ Sep. 06 2009,01:05)“What does “no God” mean to you David? Does it mean there is “no god except” the false god that Pharaoh perceived of Moses?” –WJ (p 38)WJ, are you saying Jehovah made a false god?  You also stated:“No, I am sugesting that Pharaoh acknowledged that Moses was some sort…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 07 2009,05:58)Quote (david @ Sep. 06 2009,10:30)WJ, perhaps, you will understand this, since your avatar is piccard.Some people, feel that the actor William Shatner will always be the “only true Captain” of the enterprise.(When people say this, they mean that other captains, such as Piccard (don't know his real name) will come…[Read more]

Quote Why is it so hard for you to understand that to the Hebrews God did not make “a god” but instead he hardened the heart and blinded the mind of Pharaoh and made Moses “a god” to Pharaoh!What does the Bible literally say? Not what you have stated, that is for sure.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,05:59)Quote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,18:13)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 06 2009,09:51)DavidQuote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,17:31)WJ, “you are a true trinitarian.”That doesn't mean everyone else on here who believes in the trinity are “false trinitarians,” does it?No but if I said…There is only “One True Arian”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2009,05:35)DavidQuote (david @ Sep. 05 2009,18:04)That Warren Buffet has wealth to a greater degree.This doesn't mean everyone else has “false wealth” does it?Nope.WJ, your English is very good.  It is your first langauge, I assume.david Ok David, lets think about your analogy!We are talking about the “Only Tr…[Read more]