Quote I did not say that being Savior implies that  someone is divine. I said that Christ's being the Savior implies that He is divine.–Thnker.Thinker, first, thank you for responding in the right thread.So you believe that being called “savior” implies that Christ is divine.But if someone else is called “savior” it does not imply they are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2009,06:18)Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2009,11:43)I do not continually say that.  I just point out that God created everything “through” Jesus.  ie: He used Jesus to create everything.  Hence, jesus is never called the 'creator.'  Jehovah is.So because the Father created everything through or by Jesus this means to you…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 26 2009,18:27)Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2009,05:58)The “defintion” of God is not someone who created everything.  That is the definition of “creator.”Hi David,I find it funny how you don't seem to be able to understand my simple questions?Here is another question for you and the watchtower society.Since you say Jesus is “The…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 26 2009,18:06)Quote (david @ Dec. 25 2009,13:58)[2. Many Bibles say that “through” him all things were made. (1:3) There's that “through” word again, just like when it says God is a savior “through” Jesus, in that he used Jesus to save the world.  It's tricky how you ignore these facts.DavidSo you think that when it…[Read more]

Quote You say Jesus is “a god” then he must be “your god” for you say he is “your Saviour!I have asked you both this before, but where does the Bible say: “Savior” = “God.”It was one man, Adam, the first Adam, that threw us in to sin and death.  And it was one perfect man, the second Adam (Jesus) that “saved” us.Nowhere does the Bible say that…[Read more]

FAN, maybe I misunderstood you. Yes, we agree on many things. Question:Quote But Jesus is God because He has God in Him.And what if the Bible said others had God in them? Would they be part of the trinity too?

Quote David, there you go again playing those word games. This is what you call a “title confusion trick”.According to you…”One True God” doesn't mean “One True God”!”Only Lord and Master” doesn't mean “Only Lord and Master”!”Only Saviour” doesn't mean only Saviour”THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE'S 2 REASONS, AT LEAST:1. It would contradict many other…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 27 2009,03:53)David ………The problem is with the word (through) it can be equally translated BY, or FOR, I believe it should be rendered for, Because this is the reason GOD Created everything To Share it with his Sons and Daughters, Jesus being the FIRST Fruit the firstborn into the Kingdom of GOD and having eternal life…[Read more]

Quote Jesus says I and the Father are one.–uolfanFAN, to remain consistent, if you use this argument to support the trinity, you also have to include Jesus disciples, for he also said of them, that he and his disciples were “one.”People look at John 10:I and the Father are one.”But they don't look at John 17, where Jesus said the same thing, b…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 26 2009,18:19)Quote (david @ Dec. 25 2009,16:23)God is a savior “through” Jesus.)  So, by saying this, it is like admitting that just being called “savior ” doesn't make one God.  So stop repeating that it does.And stop repeating that because the Father created all things by or through Jesus means that Jesus is not G…[Read more]

Quote JackCheckmate!They can never recieve him as God because they cannot accept him as their “Only Saviour”!i'M not sure how or when or by whom it was beaten into your guys heatds that “God” = “savior.”Or that you can only be a savior or even the savior of the world if you are “The God.”Which scripture says that?You guys keep repeating it as if…[Read more]

Quote Christ's title as Savior implies that He is Divine.–thinker, “title confusion trick, god”Now, thinker only believes that being called “savior” IMPLIES that someone is divine.Before, he was asking how it is possible that someone be called “savior” and not be divine.THINKER, Are the others who are called savior also implied to be divine?

eD. still not sure why you're asking me.

Thinker, here is the thread you seem to be ignoring. Please answer the question I underlined. Please address my comments. You asked me to answer you. I have right here. (not in the “god” thread, as you seem to imply.)So, WHY NOT ANSWER ME?

Quote TO ALL:David goes on and on in his OP showing that the word “god” frequently is used of angels and human rulers and suggests that this is how we are to understand the NWT'S reading “a god” in John 1:1. But David ignores that verse 3 says Jesus created all things. How many angels or human “gods” created the universe? David goes on and on…[Read more]

Quote David,See my post earlier today inwhich I demonstrate that you were totally evasive regarding my original question. I asked you how Jesus Christ could be the Savior without being divine. You didn't even mention His title as Savior in your OP. You totally evaded my question.THINKER, why do you continue to speak when you have no idea what…[Read more]

Quote Note that I specifically asked David to explain how he could have two Saviors. He replied saying that he started another thread called “Confusion Trick Savior” inwhich my questions are answered. But David did not start a thread called “Confusion Trick Savior.” The thread he started is called “Title Confusion Trick: The word god” inwhich he…[Read more]

Quote TO ALL:David wants you to forget that he started this thread due to my statement that Christ's title as Savior implies that He is Divine. Yet David does not even touch upon Christ's name as Savior in the above OP. Here is how it started. –THINKERTHINKER, that is not why I started this thread. I make no mention of the “savior” thing in this…[Read more]

Not sure what you mean. ARe you referring to Jesus being called “king of kings”?We are told that Jesus spiritual brothers (the anointed) would rule as kings with Jesus. Jesus is: ““The Ruler of the kings of the earth.” (rev 1:4)Read REv 5:10. Those who make up the kingdom (governement) become “kings” over the earth.Jesus is of course king ove…[Read more]

Quote Neither is there salvationin any other name: for there is no other name given among men (יהשוע), whereby we must besaved. (Acts 4:12) Ed, what did you think of the comments in the original post concerning this?