Ok, this took forever to find. I had to go through a lot of internet garbage (people repeatedly claiming JW's believe that humans walked with dinosaurs) until I found this. Since I can't actually find any reference to this belief but only people saying this is what they thought they believed, I think the following seems accurate:Quote Rather…[Read more]

Stu, I've mentioned Dinosaur poop to you like 3 times. I thought you would have jumped all over that, but I guess you're just not putting it together. Have you ever considered what's in the dino poop? And, what does Genesis say about other animals eating other animals? If you want to create some argument about dinosaurs, start there, (in the…[Read more]

Quote i was raised a JW . . . . i was taught when i went during the 1970's and 1980's. . . . just curious because i was taught that those 7 days were literal 7 days–peace2all.I don't know how this is possible.  But a book written in 1946 (Let God be True) shows that they certainly didn't think they were 24 hour days back then.  From memory, I'm q…[Read more]

I think this board probably brings out the worst in many of us, and the best.When we feel so strongly about something, and the other person just does not see what we see, or seems blind to it, we tend to get frustrated, and sometimes act badly. I think most of us do. I shouldn't say all, as some of us on here are much better at social…[Read more]

Quote All I am asking is for theists to show me why other gods are false or non-existent while there own god is the only true one.–kejonnThere seems to be one basic answer given:One God had a book authored and made available to everyone in the world. This God says, “I exist” and seems to want us to know him, and how he deals with people. Other…[Read more]

Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 29 2009,05:14)Quote (david @ Dec. 28 2009,17:58)Quote ]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD.  THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.  THAT'S IT.  PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!Peace2all, did you notice the words above.  They are the first words of this thread.  I repeated them a few…[Read more]

Hi Thinker, as for the “savior” scriptures, why not discuss them in one of the many “savior” threads I created just for you? (Is it because you like to hurl accusations but not actually discuss?)The truth of course, is, the NWT renders each word far more consistently than most translations. Because of this, it is often accused of being too…[Read more]

Quote That's my problem with the pre-existence idea- it's nowhere in the Old Testament.So would believers have been held in ignorance of this fact for 4000 years? People are told what they need to be told.EPHESIANS 3:5“In other generations this was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets b…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:39)Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,19:29)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,09:22)Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,07:27)I have said that Jehovah created things “through” Jesus, as the scripture says.Hi David,You have answered my question, but now you present another…Please show where in Scripture it says what you now say?God…[Read more]

Quote ]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD. THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. THAT'S IT. PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!Peace2all, did you notice the words above. They are the first words of this thread. I repeated them a few pages back.Everything you have said in this thread has been said in other…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,21:32)Quote (Jodi Lee @ Dec. 27 2009,17:45)Please pre-existent believers show me ONE scripture that says a spirit son was sent to become a human, or god himself sent himself and became a human? Some god or some spirit son did not CHOOSE to come down to earth and become a human for awhile and die for us, that concept goes…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,09:22)Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,07:27)I have said that Jehovah created things “through” Jesus, as the scripture says.Hi David,You have answered my question, but now you present another…Please show where in Scripture it says what you now say?God blessEd Jhttp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgIt's all over the place,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 26 2009,18:06)Quote (david @ Dec. 25 2009,13:58)[2. Many Bibles say that “through” him all things were made. (1:3) There's that “through” word again, just like when it says God is a savior “through” Jesus, in that he used Jesus to save the world.  It's tricky how you ignore these facts.DavidSo you think that when it…[Read more]

Quote But David Solomon wasn't the architect was he?Bad example!–wjPerhaps you noticed these words:Quote We SAY he built the temple. He didn't literally built the temple.Imagining that he (although it wasn't) the one who laid out the plans, we could say he was the creator of the temple. Notice how I said “imagining” and “although it wasn't.”?I…[Read more]

Quote So because the Father created everything through or by Jesus this means to you that Jesus did not actually create all things?–WJSee my post above (I think 2 posts up.)WJ, What is the difference between the Owner and the Manager of a store? Or the difference between the creator of a tv show and the producer?The one whose will it is,…[Read more]

Quote The preposition “through” in John 1:3 means “by DIRECT agency” because it says that not one thing came into being without Him. The Word was not the first thing created and then the intermediate agent in the rest of creation. He was the immediate or direct agent in creation because not one thing came into being without Him.–thinker.There is…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,10:58)Quote (david @ Dec. 27 2009,07:34)Since only Jehovah is ever called “creator” and since he apparently created everything 'through' Jesus, I would not call Jesus the creator.Quote (david @ Dec. 26 2009,11:43)I do not continually say that.  I just point out that God created everything “through” Jesus.  ie: He used J…[Read more]

Just a little remind for me and everyone else here:Quote ]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD. THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. THAT'S IT. PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!PLEASE COMMENT ON THE ABOVE TOPIC ONLY!

Quote (banana @ Dec. 27 2009,13:34)Quote (Gene @ Dec. 24 2009,04:51)David……….You are right on this one. GOD the FATHER is the ONLY (TRUE) SAVIOR, He can uses anything He wants to to accomplish that goal, Jesus, the Prophets, Judges, Nations, what ever he so choses to bring deliverance.  geneGene!   What are you saying?  David did not say th…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,12:56)Quote (david @ Dec. 23 2009,16:41)]THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT THINKER SAID ABOVE, THAT I MADE BOLD.  THAT IS ALL THIS THREAD IS ABOUT.  THAT'S IT.  PLEASE TRY TO RESPECT MY WISHES TO STAY ON TOPIC!PLEASE COMMENT ON THE ABOVE TOPIC ONLY!Hi David, If that is what you want to discuss, then why did you call this th…[Read more]