This topic is a continuation from this thread:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….5;st=80The word “god” title confusion trick:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….l=trickThe word “savior” title confusion trick:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….l=trickThe words “first and last” title confusion trick:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….l=trick

Thinker, can you spend some time and come up with some very precise words which define your argument about Jesus and Jehovah both being called “savior.” Thank you.Just so we're clear:MY ARGUMENT:The fact that Jehovah and Jesus are called savior, god, lord, king, etc, proves nothing IN ITSELF, since many others are called these things.

Quote This is a bizarre post man! You have argued time and time again that the title of “god” or “savior” in reference men proves your points. Now you say it proves nothing.INCORRECT.What I have said and continue to say and have said many times in this very thread is that Jehovah, Jesus, and MANY others are described by those words.Hence,…[Read more]

Thanks. I've been looking for that thing everywhere. Georg, do my arguments in the last post on Page 10 make sense? To me it seems so clear.

Quote 5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. ESVJesus was the “TRUE” Savior who delivered the people!If I could add a third thing, which I don't have to, the word “Jesus” in this scripture is certainly not certain.The ABVg…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 02 2010,07:07)Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2010,16:50)Quote David,Who else is called  “the Savior.” Only God and Jesus are called “THE Savior.”And who else is a Savior that owns us as His own people?Who else is called “the Savior”?  Please go read my “title confusion trick–savior” thread.  Secondly, I had thought that your ar…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2010,16:42)Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2010,10:04)Quote Major premise: God alone is the TestatorMinor premise: Jesus is the TestatorConclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God–thinkerMajor premise: The People made the CalfMinor premise: Aaron made the CalfConclusion: Therefore, Aaron is the PeopleQuote Second, you did not construct a…[Read more]

Has Anyone seen a yellow ball? I seem to have lost it.

Thanks Gene. Thinker?

Quote In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match.I still say that Hitler, who appears to have made statements both against Christianity and also for Catholocism, used religion for his purposes. It seems in…[Read more]

On thinker's thinking:Quote If being a bishop is your call. I hope you come into the Church. And I hope you fulfill your first vocation…to be holy and to reach eternal life.–CASpeaking of God, every translations conveys this thought at Rev 15:4:”For you alone are holy“Thinker, is this possible? Can people be holy? (Israel was called “holy”)…[Read more]

Quote The white horse, and the rider sitting on it with a bow, is the impostor, the Antichrist. The bow is a weapon of war, and that's what the other three horse men represent. This impostor has not brought us peace, he has brought us war, sickness, disease, and death.–georgeJust because badness follows, does not mean the one on the white horse…[Read more]

Let's have a pretend conversation, based on Thinker's logic, which he seems to try to incorporate into every thread now.  Let's live in his bizarre world for a second.I ask this because of your name: Thinker, do you think you are wise?Let's assume he says “yes” or at least, let's assume he believes it. “Thinker is wise”Rom 16:27:  “to God, alone w…[Read more]

Quote I understand YOUR predicament.  You can't refute the faith, so you set up a straw man so you can knock it down.We don't worship Mary.I reject your premise.As for Paul's non-mention of Mary, you have a faulty view of Scripture.  Scripture was not intended to be a comprehensive catechesis book to find out everything you want to know about t…[Read more]

I had posted a couple things asking CA to comment.  He did not comment (because he had no real answers) but instead attacked JW's beliefs.I then repeated the same set of questions (a page back) and in that post I said:My next question is:  Don't you think that when you ignore clear statements and instead try to divert attention, that it is o…[Read more]

Quote David,Who else is called “the Savior.” Only God and Jesus are called “THE Savior.”And who else is a Savior that owns us as His own people?Who else is called “the Savior”? Please go read my “title confusion trick–savior” thread. Secondly, I had thought that your argument was:1. Jesus is called Savior. Jehovah is called Savior. Hence,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2010,10:04)Quote Major premise: God alone is the TestatorMinor premise: Jesus is the TestatorConclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God–thinkerMajor premise: The People made the CalfMinor premise: Aaron made the CalfConclusion: Therefore, Aaron is the PeopleQuote Second, you did not construct a valid syllogism. The noun “the…[Read more]

Wouldn't pain serve as an advantage in that it stops you from hurting yourself badly?

Quote Major premise: God alone is the TestatorMinor premise: Jesus is the TestatorConclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God–thinkerMajor premise: The People made the CalfMinor premise: Aaron made the CalfConclusion: Therefore, Aaron is the PeopleQuote Second, you did not construct a valid syllogism. The noun “the people” is not in your minor…[Read more]

Quote Isaiah 44:6: Besides me there is no God.”Isaiah 43:11: Besides Me there is no Savior.”How is it that when Jehovah says that there is no God besides Him you guard His solidarity as God. But when He says that there is no Savior besides Him you do not guard His solidarity as Savior?Jehovah, Jesus and others are referred to by the word…[Read more]