Quote Truth is that the Son dwells in the one true Light, when have they ever been seperated?After Jesus creation, they were separated once for a few days.

Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,That's so true. In fact I wonder why they even have separate names. Oh, wait, because they aren't the same person, and that would be confusing. As it turn out, “Jehovah” is mentioned about 7000 times without the “Son” or “Jesus”…[Read more]

Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,If we are speaking of the Bible as a whole, then you will find that “Jehovah” is mentioned without the “Son” several thousand times!

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 31 2010,03:49)Quote (david @ Oct. 30 2010,01:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2010,16:45)Luke 4:8Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' “Not one pen-stroke Kathi.What people tend not to see about this verse, is that he said: “It is written.”The quote was a quote from the Heb scriptures…[Read more]

What I think this comes down to is, the argument is that when it says “Jehovah” it actually means Jehovah including Jesus, his Son.

(Exodus 34:14) For you must not prostrate yourself to another god, because Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, he is a jealous God;

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2010,15:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2010,15:29)So if you still don't think that the Pharisees even minded at all that Jesus was given credit for opening the blind man's eyes, let alone worship, you are the one that is needing some wet clay, my friend.Really Kathi,And after reading this, and knowing how much of a thorn…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 30 2010,16:45)Luke 4:8Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' “Not one pen-stroke Kathi.What people tend not to see about this verse, is that he said: “It is written.”The quote was a quote from the Heb scriptures about “Jehovah,” the Father.It was actually written to 'worship Jehovah…[Read more]

Quote the one they were proskuneo-ing

continued….Although it was a common thing for the Jews to bow before authority to show respect, Mordecai refused to bow before Haman. This was because Haman, as an Agagite, was very likely an Amalekite, concerning whom Jehovah had said that he would completely wipe out their remembrance from under the heavens and that he would have war with…[Read more]

Quote Afraid that you might see that nearly every incident that proskuneo is given to Jesus there was a supernatural event either just beforehand or asked of Him to perform? As we know, proskyneo (to bow down, to do obeisance, to worship) is used in a number of different ways.Sitting and prostrating. Sitting was another posture employed in prayer,…[Read more]

Here's my problem: IMAGINE a line of kings, each having sons, and each of those sons become kings.So, there is an old King named David. He gives birth to a king named…Solomon. Let's say they are both kings.When Solomon was a child, David was Solomon's Father and Solomon's king. David was the king of Solomon.Then, solomon too becomes a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2010,17:39)Quote (david @ Oct. 29 2010,01:29)Quote David,I think that the word 'very' just means 'true.'  That isn't nonsensical.  I guess that it is said for emphasis.LU, can you put it into a complete senstence then?  Would it be: “Jesus is truely the God of the true God”?Is that what we think it means?–or is it Je…[Read more]

Quote David,I think that the word 'very' just means 'true.' That isn't nonsensical. I guess that it is said for emphasis.LU, can you put it into a complete senstence then? Would it be: “Jesus is truely the God of the true God”?Is that what we think it means?–or is it Jesus being the True God of Jehovah, who is the true God?Can you just plainly…[Read more]

I am so frustrated thinking about the universe as a whole. I think everyone pictures it as a ball spreading out into space, but of course, the universe is the only space that exists. So does it have an edge? Obviously not. But neither is it infinite in size. No edge or wall to run into, but also not infinite in size. Tricky. Then we have…[Read more]

If Jesus is the “God of” God Jehovah, then what would it mean if Jehovah is also the “God of” Jesus, as scripture actually states?What does the word “God” mean and how is it that Jesus is the “God of” the Father and at the same time the Father is actually described as the “God of” Jesus?To me, this is like saying that Frank is the leader of Henry…[Read more]

In the Nicene Creed, Jesus is called the “Son of” God.But LU, you seem to try to be proving that he is the “God of” God.Yet your creed states that he is the Son of God.You want to prove that he is the God of God.I still think you are using obscure phrasing to try to prove something: “very God of very God.”(It is confusing.)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2010,16:23)Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,22:16)Quote i Kathi,To which scripture do you refer where Jesus spoke as “God OF God”?There in fact are none.  Jesus is repeatedly referred to as the “Son of” God, and he is never ever referred to as the “God of” God.Why can't we just go with what the scriptures repeatedly and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2010,16:21)Quote (david @ Oct. 27 2010,21:36)Quote very God of very GodIt seems the first instance of “God” here, it is being used as a verb.  Actually, maybe in both instances, it's being used as a verb.Can you explain what this means?David,I don't see the word “God” in either case as a verb but as a noun.  For i…[Read more]

Quote i Kathi,To which scripture do you refer where Jesus spoke as “God OF God”?There in fact are none. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as the “Son of” God, and he is never ever referred to as the “God of” God.Why can't we just go with what the scriptures repeatedly and clearly say? Even the Niceen Creed says that Jesus was the Son of God, and…[Read more]