Quote MikeAgain you create a fallacy and a strawman because why would the Pharisees stone someone for being worshipped.Yes Mike. Everyone knows the Pharisees where upright and fair chaps who would never kill anyone that didn't deserve to be killed. Wait, that doesn't sound right. Didn't they conduct a mock trial for Jesus? (I'm not here…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 02 2010,13:37)Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 01 2010,21:33)Hi all, I only have a moment spare but..When Jesus said “Why do you call me good ? There is none good but God” if you think spiritually instead of useing the words only, Jesus was humbling himself. How often do you humble yourself enough to say “Im not good, why call…[Read more]

Quote Where is the use of the word as just a bowing down?–WJWJ, SEE POSTS ABOVE.

Quote Now please show us where the NT use of the word does not mean “Worship” but a bowing down with respect!wj, you mention this a couple times as though it is your whole argument or at least, extremely important to your argument.In Matthew 18:26, Jesus was giving an illustration of a king. He used the word proskyneo with reference to what…[Read more]

Quote We are not dealing with its use in the OT. We are dealing with Jesus use of the word in John 4 and the NT use of the word.Well that's very convenient and also unbiblical in approach. Yes, let's avoid Biblical evidence that doesn't support our thesis.If “all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching…for SETTING THINGS…[Read more]

Quote So if Jesus said to the man that “no one” is good but one “GOD” and then says he was “Good” then that is proof that he is claiming equality with God once again. And what of others who are called “good”? And what of the fact that Jehovah is “alone wise”? Yet, others are called “wise” Perhaps, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, no one is wise or good…[Read more]

Quote I am back but still dealing with something in my life very troubling and hard, so don’t expect much posting but I felt I had to jump in here since my name is “WorshippingJesus”.Is it too personal to ask what you are dealing with Keith, and secondly, do you think your name would be more accurate if it was:”Proskyneo(ing) Jesus”?At least that&…[Read more]

Quote Why did Jesus use the word in describing “True Worship” (proskyneō) to God and not rebuke those who worshipped (proskyneō) him?BECAUSE, WJ, as has been demonstrated simply by looking at my last post and as you yourself well know and understand:PROSKYNEO CAN MEAN MORE THAN ONE THING.I think we know and understand that words in English oft…[Read more]

Quote In all the scriptures that speak of Jesus being worshipped (proskyneō) why didn’t Jesus once say do not worship me?To say that it is because Jesus wasn’t being worshipped but just being honored lacks evidence because there are no other NT examples of the word proskyneō being used toward any one with honor other than the Father and Jesus. In…[Read more]

Keith, where did you go? and what is this direction you seek?

Quote The point was cut and dry, its very simple, Jesus claimed that the Father was in Him, and they are one, it doesnt state that they were EVER seperated.Of course “it” meaning that scripture that speaks of Jehovah and Jesus being “one” doesn't speak about them separating. Never said it did. All I said was you would be blind to think that this…[Read more]

Quote Actually i didnt use it as trinity aspect because im not a trinitarian.And that's why I said “trinity like concept” and not “trinity”

Quote Jehovah is God almighty of course, but not the father to anyone until Jesus revealed him as such. OK, we are off subject, but when someone is so wrong, I just have to comment.ISAIAH 64:8And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father.ISAIAH 63:16 “For you are our Father; although Abraham himself may not have known us and Israel himself may not…[Read more]

Quote Jesus states in John 17, that they are one, that the Father is IN HIM. I love it when people say that John says that the son and Father are one. I find it comical and fun.Later, in the same book, jesus says that he wanted his disciples and him to be “one” JUST AS HE AND HIS FATHER ARE ONE.It was speaking of being “one” in purpose. ….…[Read more]

Quote Hades and sheloh are used interchangably to represent a state of tormentSo you think Jesus was tormented for those days?Quote First of all scripture says that Jesus gave up his “spirit” “ghost”First, it's just plain wrong to translate it “ghost” for a number of reasons. “spirit” in the Bible is used in a number of ways, and is often used to…[Read more]

Quote You are right. The OT does never talk about Jesus being used by Jehovah to create the universe BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT JESUS TOO MUCH.Well, unless you include Proverbs, which many believe symbolically speaks of Jehovah using Jesus as a master worker to do these things.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:44)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:17)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,If we are speaking of the Bible as a whole, then you will find that “Jehovah” is mentioned without the “Son” several thousand times!I know right?I find…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:39)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:26)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,That's so true.  In fact I wonder why they even have separate names.  Oh, wait, because they aren't the same person, and that would be confusing.  As it…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:40)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:27)Quote Truth is that the Son dwells in the one true Light, when have they ever been seperated?After Jesus creation, they were separated once for a few days.According to what scripture?When Jesus died, it was his Father, who was still living who resurrected him. They did…[Read more]

Quote (teflonfanatic @ Nov. 01 2010,13:38)I would like to think the JW's are the true church because they're the most organized christians. I mean baptists, methodist etc church doctrine and service differs within their own denomination!!!!! Yet the JW's have the same talk and service worldwide Tef, while JW's are the most organized religion and…[Read more]