David –

I’m just reading everyone comments, and unfortunately I do not think they are willing to actually read the post. There really not getting it. They aren’t even making any real rebuttals on the actual post itself. I don’t care where the information came from…if it makes sense..it makes sense..if it’s backed up with scripture than what d…

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So if someone claims a healing or miracle from God would the JW’s say it was from the devil or what?

Andrew, yes. I’m pretty sure they would say Satan is misleading people. Angel of light. All that.

To be clear, I would not say this. I’ve spent 30 years studying miracle like events. It’s like a hobby of mine. I know how astoundingly e…[Read more]

Hi UMB5,

I see no mention of the JWs recently here.

Nick, You are either delusional or simply a liar. It’s like you have had some break with reality. Seriously, get help. As much as we argue on here, I would like to see you get professional help.

What is so bothersome and troubling to me, is, for pages and pages, rather than discussing any evidence for any miracle or how we would know and trust the evidence or discussing what the scriptures say, you have been doing whatever it is you are doing. This seems to be something politicians do. Rather than attack what is said, they go after the…[Read more]

If you think it is relevant, I would have to ask why.
Because, Jehovah’s Witness teachings are sometimes hard to get out of the system. People might read Jehovah’s Witness posts not realizing what they are and take it on as their own belief, not realizing how damaging and hard to shake the doctrines can be.

You can get people out of Bab…

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Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?
Just for a moment let us divert from Christianity and think about the answer to this question. Could we do that?
David,

If a Muslim told me that God had healed him, I would attribute that healing to God rather…

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David,

Are you claiming that it is more righteous to murder a more developed child than a less developed one?

Your words implied that.

I agree that murder has been around a long time and now instead of killing disabled children by tossing them out to let the elements and wild animals do the trick we kill them in their mother’s womb.

We t…

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David,

I was whipped as a child when I was disobedient and I saw no harm to that.

I was also abused so I know there is a difference though by the grace of God I received no harm from that.

Only fools do not understand the difference.

I admit that fools exist.

Using a rod on a child is not always wrong.

I have already shown you a study that…

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Get to know God and why it was loving to command genocide.

It wasn’t truly genocide if they saved all the virgins or young women for themselves.

If the thing was, God was destroying these people because they were evil, then were the young women not evil somehow while the young boys were? Or, was this just a way to reduce the chance of…[Read more]

As for genocide, it’s probable that all wars in the past were genocidal in nature. If the estimated war death rate of tribal societies continued into our time, there would have been 2 billion dead in the last century. Not 100 million.

It was the simple: get them before they get you, philosophy. And don’t leave any of them alive who may…[Read more]

Hi kerwin

That may be offensive to our culture but their is no reason to conclude our culture is any more righteous than any other one after all our cultures holds that it is a righteous action to arbitrarily kill children in their mother’s womb. In that they are no better, and perhaps worse, than an ostrich.

After studying human sacrifice, I…[Read more]

Morality is based upon whatever context God places it in
No it isn’t
Okay, so is killing children for any reason ever Moral?
Is the destruction of property Moral?

Now we are getting into divine command theory and the euthyphro dilemma.

Does God saying something make it moral, as if him saying rape was moral would make it moral? Or does God o…[Read more]

My point is that the bile does in fact literally say to beat them and with a rod. This was viewed by Christians as proper morality for thousands of years. But The WORLD changes its view. Now it is not as oral to do these things. The bible hasn’t changed.
You keep doing the same thing the bible isn’t saying beat your children it is saying if the…

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Ed. The question was asked of that other guy if he was a jw.

I quotes that question to him and responded for him and said: no, just a clear thinker.

Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?

Just for a moment let us divert from Christianity and think about the answer to this question. Could we do that?

For the purpose of this thread, who I am or even what I stand for aren’t relevant to whether or not miracles are happening today the way people think they are.
Hi David.

I think it is relevant, because you started this thread with Watchtower literature copy and pasted, though did not tell us what it was.

I studied with some JWs years ago and w…

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If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, you would attribute that miracle to Satan yes?

Perhaps someone that is a Jehovah’s Witness would. I don’t see what your obsession with this is. You are talking to me, and I, would attribute it to self deception, a misunderstanding of proof and evidence, not looking at the whole, the placebo effect, etc.…[Read more]

Miia
Let me ask you: if a Muslim told you that Allah cured him of an illness or disability, who would you attribute that miracle to?
David, we are talking about Christianity here.

If a Christian man told you God had cured him of something, who would you attribute that healing to?

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, you would attribute that m…

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Strong ideologies or belief systems tend to be a source of friction.

Whether hitter was an angriest or Christian he was a leader. And leaders use the religion or beliefs of the masses to control and manipulate them.
The idea that Jews were sub-human and responsible in some way for their messiahs death, would be a good way to motivate people…[Read more]

Hi bod yes, to be clear, it seems by asking if we get “our” morality from the bible, I’m not asking if the bible is truly moral. That would be a vet different discussion. I’m asking if what we perceive as our morality really comes from where we claim it does. I do not think it does.

Person X has a set of morals that HE thinks of as morality.…[Read more]