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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2011,11:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2011,18:47) 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” WHO exactly would have found Cain and killed him as he was wandering on the earth, out of the presence of Jehovah? Which of Adam's offspring were already out there in the land of Nod, wandering away from the presence of Jehovah? Mike first let not jump ,first Cain when to the land of Nod ,right ,then what happen ,he create a family,so have kids many ,and so on , would it be that their where animal big ones like tigers,lions,ect and it was those that Cain fears ?could be ,but there was no humans beside them other than the children of Adam Pierre

pierre,

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

This scriptures says that there were two generations one from heaven which obviously were Adam's since God created him as a living soul, but sinned and became man like we are now.

Genesis 5:1This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God

Then there were the existing sort of devilish humans,which were the generations of Satan's earth.

These are the discoveries which are making us aware who were on earth, before one of them(Lucifer's dead soul) was transformed into a living soul Adam.

These generations are still on earth.Mentioned by Jesus in John 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Cain was the Father of Satan's generations as his firstborn through Adam's sin.

Cain took devilish women.These were the cananites which the Izraelites through God's order,couldn't have any kind of relation with.

Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,11:35)

Hi Kathi, What I'm saying is that your source has Peter saying Jesus COMMANDED them to baptize in the triune formula.  Yet Acts has Peter baptizing in the name of Jesus only.   You can rationalize that this was for emphasis, like you rationalize that God will be okay with you worshipping someone other than Him just because that someone other is His Son.  I'm not here to judge you, for it is not my place to judge another servant of my master. I'm only here to tell you that I feel safer following the commands of God and Jesus EXACTLY, (to the best of my ability, of course), and not rationalizing with my own flawed human brain that God probably will be okay with me doing it this way instead of the way he explicitely told me to.   You are apparently more “risky” than I am in that department, and I hope God does see it your way for your sake.   So about Peter, we would have to decide if we think Peter is more like you, or more like me.  I personally think that if Jesus COMMANDED Peter to baptize in the triune formula, then that is what he would have done.  But who knows?  Maybe Peter was thinking like you that it's okay to break the Lord's commandments as long as we have good intentions. mike

Mike,

Couldn't be a possibility,that when Peter asked someone if they were baptized in the name of Jesus,was only referring to what kind of baptism they were baptized,and not to how they were baptized??

There were two kinds of baptism,which were one of John the baptist immersion in the water.and the other of Jesus.

So the only way to recognize which one,was to ask either whether the one in the name of John,or in the name of Jesus!!!

Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.

Charles

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2011,17:08)

charles I will get back on this but later ,I have to read this and check it for truth. Pierre

Pierre,

Also in John 10:18…………..I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

Since Jesus has this kind of power himself that he lay His life to die and also He Himself while dead has power to take it back again,isn't it clear enough that only God has such authority,and power on both death,and life?

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2011,04:16)

Charles Jn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Jn 18:38 “What is truth?” Pilate asked could you answer that question ,Charles ?? Pierre

Pierre,

Read:

John 14:15   If you love me, keep my commandments

Who's commandments.??

Which commandments??

Luke1:16 And he shall convert many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and
power of Elias; that he may turn the hearts of the fathers unto the children, and the incredulous to the wisdom of the just, to prepare unto the Lord a perfect people.

Titus 2:9 God our Saviour in all things:

John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me(

Who is The Lord their God, in Luke 1:16

to whom is the reference “he shall go before him.Luke 1:17 ?”

Who is our saviour.  in Titus 2:9??

If the scriptures testify of Jesus, then all hereunder is a proof that Jesus is God! No??

Who is omnipotent (all powerful)?1 Chronicles 29:11Philippians 3:20-21
Who is omniscient (all knowing)?1 John 3:20Colossians 2:2-3
Who is omnipresent (present everywhere)?Proverbs 15:32 Corinthians 2:14
Who is Lord of Sabbath?Genesis 2:3Matthew 12:8
Who is the great “I am?”Exodus 3:14John 8:58
Who is the only creator?Isaiah 44:24John 1:3
Who is the only savior?Isaiah 43:11, 45:21Acts 4:12
Who will judge mankind?Isaiah 3:13, 142 Corinthians 5:10 John 5:22
Who will judge between the sheep and goats?Ezekiel 34:17Matthew 25:31-33
Who sent the prophets?Jeremiah 7:25Matthew 23:34
Who resurrected Jesus?Acts 4:10John 10:17-18
Who is “coming in glory?”Isaiah 40:5Matthew 24:30
Who is our Father?Isaiah 63:16Isaiah 9:6
Who is the “first and last?”Isaiah 44:6Revelation 1:17
Who is Rock of salvation?2 Samuel 22:321 Corinthians 10:4
Who is Stone of stumbling?Isaiah 8:13-151 Peter 2:8
“One crying in the wilderness” came to prepare a way for whom?Isaiah 40:3Matthew 3:3
Who is eternal?Genesis 21:33Micah 5:2
Who is the fountain of living waters?Jeremiah 17:13John 4:10-14
Who resurrects the dead?Acts 26:8John 6:40
Who gives rewards to man?Isaiah 40:10Matthew 16:27
Who has all authority and power?1 Chronicles 29:11Matthew 28:18
Who gives power and authority to man?Psalm 68:35Luke 9:1
Who forgives sin?2 Chronicles 7:14Matthew 9:6
Who sent the Holy Spirit?John 14:16John 16:7
Who has the greatest name?Nehemiah 9:5Philippians 2:9
Whom are we to worship?Exodus 34:14Revelation 5:12-13
Who is the good Shepherd?Genesis 48:15John 10:14
Who searches for the lost sheep of Israel?Ezekiel 34:11Matthew 15:24
Who is “Lord of Lords?”Deuteronomy 10:17Revelation 17:14
To whom shall every knee bow?Isaiah 45:22-23Philippians 2:10
Who is the righteous branch of David?Jeremiah 23:5-6Jeremiah 33:15
Who alone is Holy?1 Samuel 2:2Acts 3:14
Whose blood cleanses us?Acts 20:281 John 1:7
The world was created for whom?Proverbs 16:4Colossians 1:16
Who is above all?Nehemiah 9:6Romans 9:5
Who is forever the same?Psalms 102:24-27Hebrews 1:8-12
Who is our light?Psalm 27:1John 8:12
Who is the way or path?Psalms 16:11John 14:6
Who is in charge of the angels?Psalms 103:202 Thessalonians 1:7
Who gives us rest?Exodus 33:14Matthew 11:28
Who gives eternal life?Proverbs 19:23John 3:36
We are the bride of whom?Isaiah 54:52 Corinthians 11:2
Who tests the heart and mind?Jeremiah 17:10Revelation 2:23

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 18 2011,09:46)

Quote (ftk @ Aug. 15 2011,21:04) Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 15 2011,00:40) Before Adam was created the Angels were already in Heaven, and that is when Lucifer was rebelling against God and wanted to sit on Gods Throne….These next Scriptures talk about when Lucifer enter Heaven and  fought with Micheal and His Angels…. Hate to bust your bubbles, but they did exist… Also where in Scripture sdoes it say that Adam was the Son  of Morning?? Rev 12:7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,   Rev 12:8   And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.         Rev 12:9   And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. The Devil was in Paradise as a Serpent and it was Eve, that ate the Apple…..you know that story, right??? Peace Irene Irene: Quote Also where in Scripture does it say that Adam was the Son  of Morning??                                                  In  Isaiah 14:12 “Lucifer” is described as “son of the morning”! Lucifer was Adam, son of the morning. Perfect in every way until there was found in him iniquity/evil. Eve talked Adam into partaking of evil because if they did they would rise above God. Adam bought that lie from Eve who bought that lie from the “serpent” (a hissing, whisper voice) in her heart. So from perfection, Adam fell. Lucifer may be just a name for Adam. Rev.2:28 Says, ….I will give you the morning star…. Jesus was the bright morning star! Rev.2:16 Lucifer is the Hebrew word “heylel”. That is the root of the word  of Halleluiah…heylel-you-yahw…..bright shining! I don't think that is the devil.   IMO, just food for thought. TK No Lucifer was not Adam. Adam never stood in front of the Almighty God , did He???  Or was in Heaven…. Isa 14:12 ¶ How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!   Isa 14:13   For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:   Luk 10:18   And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.   Peace Irene

Irene,

Lucifer was a master piece of God.

He was on the mountain of God.

He was responsible from earth and its degraded angels.

But he protested with God and wanted to be the founder of evil creatures,as a challenge to God to make Him start His kingdom from the opposite direction.From the bottom of filth up.

God sent him to earth to do so ,but to do so he was separated from his soul and became Satan.

When time was good for God He picked the most mature devilish creature and transformed him into Adam and became a living soul.

But the soul was Lucifer's since he was the person to cause all this, but Satan remained in the centre of the earth up to now.

Still hoping to acquire a being to abide within,but definitely not through woman,most probably through cloning.

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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 18 2011,09:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2011,05:25) Charles Quote Sometimes you surprise me !! All I am going to do is to paste what I posted so you can read it again If Adam did not sin, all creation, I repeat, all would have been clean throughout, and also it would have been  a complete different story altogether. This for the simple reason that we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God. I told you that if Adam did not sin we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.   you still did not answer my question; if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? are implying that the tree of knowledge was only there for Adam and Eve ? and that they would not have procreate untill the so called test of yours is completed ? Pierre Perhaps the tree would remain to test all men because it was the agent of free will in choosing God or not. However, if some person had partaken of the fruit, it would have lead to death for that person but the person could theoretically have offspring and pass on the curse to some human, leaving two kinds of humans. In the case of Adam, his sin was passed onto the whole race of man. It is also entirely possible of course that it was a test for Adam and Eve only as the representatives of humanity, but terraricca has a good point. What about Adams offspring? And how were other humans to be tested with choosing God if that was the only choice? Or was the plan to test Adam only to then pass on the result to all adam (man)?

T8,

Yes, when you reflect , you will realize that Adam was the person responsible for the test only.  

He himself would pass and educate his off springs of Good and Evil, the same thing we are doing ourselves .

The trouble with us is we are still not reached the realm of Adam if he didn't sin.

We are still not in the realm of holiness,where Adam was created holy already and he couldn't die unless he commit sin.

Please reflect because it is a very positive reflection regarding what would have been if Adam did not sin.

Satan and his demons would have been eliminated completely, and it would have been totally on us ,and since we would have  inherited righteousness from birth, although we would have been free, it would have been more clear to us to remain righteous.

We as we are, are always in favour of sin than not.

Jesus himself stated we know what is right but we love darkness, because our origin was darkness.

Jesus said you are from beneath, I am from above.

Keep on posting on this I am feeling light coming on heaven net through this tread.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (csaliba @ Aug. 18 2011,07:56)

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2011,05:25) Charles Quote Sometimes you surprise me !! All I am going to do is to paste what I posted so you can read it again If Adam did not sin, all creation, I repeat, all would have been clean throughout, and also it would have been  a complete different story altogether. This for the simple reason that we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God. I told you that if Adam did not sin we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.   you still did not answer my question; if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? are implying that the tree of knowledge was only there for Adam and Eve ? and that they would not have procreate untill the so called test of yours is completed ? Pierre Pierre, The tree was there  only temporary  for Adam till the probation period ends. As soon as the probation period ends.The whole world would have become good and clean,and only the tree of life would have remained. As soon as Adam opted for the tree of knowledge of good and evil,the tree of life finished. The tree of life means that only the vegetable food would have become the  food for those particular semi spiritual creatures. Through consuming that kind of food they would have become more purified, not only that ,but all environment,would have been self sustained by God, in order to receive the right nourishment for that particular kind of spiritual flesh. SCRIPTURE STATED THAT IT WAS A GARDEN OF PLEASURE,but spiritual pleasure not carnal pleasure like we have on this filthy miserable world.

Pierre,

Yes, procreation could not have happened within 40 days .

Logically procreation could only happen accordingly after the test.

Satan was extremely keen to act,and God logically knew this and logically also it was predestined to happen,since Lucifer did all what he did, he was the most genius.

Creation  was created good according to all those principles agreed before hand.

Satan was not a spirit who couldn't deal with God,since he was the one responsible of earth, and had one third under his power and had a plan within his hearth.

Scriptures says that he was on the mountain of God.

His aim was to become like the most high,which means that he wanted to become man god of evil and he would be able to overthrow God in heaven.

God is so meek that he sent His Son to overthrow him in his world under his rules and principles. That's what the world Good is for in all Genesis 1

This refers that it's all good to start the race for one of us to become man. Either you or Me(God)

God had to re create and start our world through Satan from the opposite side of His realm,which was the extreme of filth and evil, millions and millions of years ago,and only 6000 years ago God created the first living soul in Adam (Lucifer's) since he was the cause of all this.

That's why Jesus in all His speeches was all the time saying the Son of God and the son of man.

This was a sort of inducing Satan and telling him I AM BOTH GOD AND MAN IN YOUR OWN WORLD UNDER YOUR RULES AND PRINCIPLES, but Satan through the Pharisee, was blind and called him a devil, a magician, and all sorts.

He even used Peter, when Jesus again was telling Satan that he will be crucified, and Satan through Peter said NO, and Jesus answered him and told to get off, obvious because If he knew that it was the Son of God he wouldn't have insisted to be killed.

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2011,05:25)

Charles Quote Sometimes you surprise me !! All I am going to do is to paste what I posted so you can read it again If Adam did not sin, all creation, I repeat, all would have been clean throughout, and also it would have been  a complete different story altogether. This for the simple reason that we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God. I told you that if Adam did not sin we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.   you still did not answer my question; if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? are implying that the tree of knowledge was only there for Adam and Eve ? and that they would not have procreate untill the so called test of yours is completed ? Pierre

Pierre,

The tree was there only temporary for Adam till the probation period ends.

As soon as the probation period ends.The whole world would have become good and clean,and only the tree of life would have remained.

As soon as Adam opted for the tree of knowledge of good and evil,the tree of life finished.

The tree of life means that only the vegetable food would have become the food for those particular semi spiritual creatures.

Through consuming that kind of food they would have become more purified, not only that ,but all environment,would have been self sustained by God, in order to receive the right nourishment for that particular kind of spiritual flesh.

SCRIPTURE STATED THAT IT WAS A GARDEN OF PLEASURE,but spiritual pleasure not carnal pleasure like we have on this filthy miserable world.

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 14 2011,22:15)

Charles, Yes God created Evil and all corruption since than has been permissable and is part of His plan since the begginig. God doesnt make mistakes

SimplyForgiven,

You are wrong,God didn't creat Evil.
God created His spiritual creatures,balance within two concepts,and allow them to establish themselves the relation with Him within a certain probation period.

One concept was that they knew that they were created by a being superior then them,and also that they have to be faithful to Him, serve Him, and also that they are subject and  depend on Him.Which means that whatever they do it was through His power.

The other concept was that they were completely free,and could reject God any time.

In fact Lucifer,since God through Him created his realm,and also our first world,realized how powerful he was,and through this  pride, refused to be subject to the future divine man being and his mother.

He protested with God and became his direct opponent.

Since then originated the evil concept,for the simple reason,that God punished Lucifer and his angels by locking them in nature in order for God to recreate our world using His Son's spirit, with the power of the Holy Spirit,through their punishment in order to persuade them to return to Him.

Through this process humans were created, and God through His son furnished humans with souls.

After millions and millions of years, God gave His spirit to the most mature devilish beast like creature (Lucifer's dead soul) and completely transformed him into the very first ever living soul to become Adam.

Adam through Satan's corruption by Eve, his representative,rejected God's law and Put all humanity and the world in a very miserable,and evil state, and only the Son of God Jesus Christ was capable to redeem us,through His death on the cross 2000 years ago.

But Lucifer's and his angels' evil concept remained within our
minds and only Jesus and His unfathomable fountain of mercy could save us from hell fire.

Peace and love in Jesus christ

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2011,16:25)

Charles you did not answer my question; if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? Pierre

Pierre,

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you did not answer my question; if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ?

Sometimes you surprise me !!

All I am going to do is to paste what I posted so you can read it again<here it is:

If Adam did not sin, all creation, I repeat, all would have been clean throughout, and also it would have been  a complete different story altogether.

This for the simple reason that we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.

I told you that if Adam did not sin we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.  

So again  it was within Adam's responsibility to decide how he and his off springs  would live on Earth.It was all dependable through him,as the first born of all the LIVING SOULS,NOT HUMANS LIKE WE ARE!!!

This was only temporary as a test to establish the justified road to holiness.

Adam had  a probation period,like the Israelite in the desert to establish themselves before entering HOLY LAND.

Jesus (the second Adam)repeated this himself when He was sent purposely by the Holy Spirit ,since Jesus was a spiritual person,to live entirely for 40 days,through the power of the Holy Spirit,and also to be tested by Satan,like he did to Adam.

This it was vital for both Jesus and Satan himself in order to establish if Jesus is The Son of God before start His HOLY MISSION.

Most logically, Adam had 40,days as well,but definitely only for a short period,to establish the justified way according to Adam.

which was Lucifer's soul,  as the one who sinned and brought all those angels with him to earth to be punished.

I also stated,that In the world to come, paradise, Humans would be subject to sin still, as Jesus confirmed, in Matthew 12:32
soul
So even if Adam did not sin and he remained a living soul as also his off springs,this never prevented those creatures from sinning, but they would have died,but if they remained under God rules,they would have never died.

The bible states in Genesis 6:2 that the sons of God seeing the daughters of men, that they were fair, took themselves wives of all which they chose.

This happened simply because the angels saw the women for the first time ever,and wished  to go with them,
and for the angels,who were already established as angels, and to wish so was a sin since they were spirit beings.

So the freedom will always remain since they were within the road to holiness, but it would have been more difficult to sin, since they would have experienced the beautiful total environment of paradise,and also Satan would have ended his mission,for the simple reason that since Adam was Lucifer's soul he would have been rejected by only body which was his by right.

This world is like as it is only through Adam's sin and Satan's justified principles according to God, The reason for Jesus to come and destroys him in order to replace him.

Matthew 12: 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2011,10:54)

Charles Quote Now this is important to understand,it is even for me to explain. Through Adam sin, all humans lost eternal life. I have to disagree with you on this ,because you try to imply that even if Adam did not sin we would be in the same situation ,this is only a possibility that could have happen, you see if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? if as offspring we would have to be obedient to God order ,then to obtain the grace of God what comes through Christ, we have to accept to obey his will ,what is to produce the fruits of our faith in him, there is nothing free ,God gives access to eternal live but it is not forced on us ,Christ has said the one who ears the message and act on it is the one that will live,so if you do not act on the knowledge you have heard then you are living a dead live,this means without hope. this is why Christ said that the words he spook are words of live ,this is only true if the person that ears it act on it or respond to the message and produce the fruits there of, this is why Paul and Peter and John recall all Christians to keep the good works in a constant progress,so that we maybe fund worthy of God grace and obtain the promise, like Paul says this is a race but were all can win providing he make it to the finish line, Quote I repeat we are living the eternal life from conception because we are being born alive through the elimination of Satan from all our creation,in body, soul, and unofficially in spirit,but we become officially alive in the spirit,as soon as we are baptised in the name of the Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit. I have to rephrase what you say ;we are living in a time where God has open his love to us through the sacrifice of his son Christ for us to be able to chose live over dead, live eternal without judgement if we obey his word, dead and judgement if we do not obey, there is no one act that will save any of us and specially not a five minute work out in water, this is pure religion doctrine but not according to the scriptures. when we take the commitment in our hearts and our mind based on true knowledge of God and his son and pledge to become his servant ,that moment you become bond to God baptized or not , baptism is for others to see ,but God sees the heart and read the mind of men, the truth of God is found in his word, our starting point is when we commit ourselves and finishes when we die or when Christ returns witch ever comes first ' Pierre

Pierre,

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have to disagree with you on this ,because you try to imply that even if Adam did not sin we would be in the same situation ,this is only a possibility that could have happen, you see if Adam would have not be disobedient to God order, then would that mean that all his offspring did not have to obey to Gods order not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? if as offspring we would have to be obedient to God order ,then to obtain the grace of God what comes through Christ, we have to accept to obey his will ,what is to produce the fruits of our faith in him,

If Adam did not sin, all creation, I repeat, all would have been clean throughout, and also it would have been  a complete different story altogether.

This for the simple reason that we, as off springs  of Adam,  wouldn’t have the original sin through Satan, we  would have lived in paradise within this planet from that time, how it was originally through God.

Since  Lucifer rebelled, he was punished, and still is, in this earth and through that punishment, God the Father, through His Son  with the power of the Holy Spirit, recreated us in order to start the road to holiness through Adam as his off springs.

Since Adam sinned  he both went down a lower realm, and  lost eternal life spiritually, through the death in Satan, therefore also his off springs.

Satan is a dead spirit. This means that Satan up to now, is still locked within this earth, and has not achieved a being to abide within.

Jesus destroyed him on the cross exactly when he was under the impression that he was about to succeed!!!  

In the world to come, paradise, Humans would be subject to sin still, as Jesus confirmed, in Matthew 12:32

Matthew 12: 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.  

but if we don’t sin, we would remain alive all the time till we achieve total salvation.

My point is eternal life!

Almighty God is eternal; this means that God has no beginning, and no end.
So God has eternal life. Eternal life in God therefore means a life which has no beginning and no end.

Now God wanted to have a kingdom, and this kingdom must consist of creatures which along the process of achievement, none of them lose eternal life consistency.

This is most vital for God because this kingdom would be His manifestation, and must maintain the chain, or lineage of eternal life in Him.

Therefore if any of His creatures experience death, it would automatically lose eternal life consistency and never would be able to be part of God’s kingdom.

How then God would make sure that during all these millions, and millions of years, never in any period of creation, there won’t be any occasion, that either prevents God from progressing, or anyone from His creatures, completely obliterate the process in any way, with the consequences, that He would have to destroy all creation, and start all over again from scratch??

1 John 5: 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

How beautiful are these words from John. He said God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

So the answer to my question is exactly here!!!

I will wait for your comments.

Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2011,06:24)

Chales Quote Since you are stating that there are no periods,then God created Evil!!!!, God was the source of Lucifer's rebel!!!! So Lucifer's interruptions was designed by God,since it is part of creation and also, we are according to God's design  that we suffer, die, that there's so much filth, murdering,corruption,and so on and on!!!! Satan is well pleased with you,because you are practically saying, that we are living under Satan's rules,and Jesus never came,and never existed, never died, and never achieved eternal life,and salvation!!!!for us all!!! Am I right to believe so through your statement that there are no periods? Where did eternal life came from?, where did salvation came from??? How on earth you want me to believe that Jesus said in Matthew 8:22: Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. and in the same time we are all alive in Jesus Christ now!!! It is definitely a complete different period, since we were dead,and now we are alive,and also since it wasn't God that wanted us dead like the other old testament period. So therefore something occurred,which suspended God's creation, and deviated God's process of creation, and God the Father had only one solution to get all those souls back to Him. That was the sacrificing of the spiritual person of His Son through the power of the Holy Spirit to start recreation from the opposite direction of evil in order to make them righteous, and give them eternal life, because since that rebel they were always dead. I hope you know the difference between eternal life and salvation,because there's a huge difference!! In fact we are in the period of eternal life right from conception,where before Jesus,in the old testament,all humans although they were born they were dead!!! and never live again,even if they were righteous. I will stop now and wait for your comments. Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles if you call a period a event then you right , when Adam and Eve sinned the law at the time was if you eat from the tree you will die that day,or the soul that sins will die ,same thing, sin is only breaking the law of God ,not of men,men who like to be like gods like to be in charge of there laws, the fact that God does not created robots but made them all in his love with freewill so that they can chose what they wanted to do,so it is not that God is responsible for the wickedness of his created beings but every individual being bears is own responsibility before God his creator, what God did and could have not done and just bring all rebels ether angels or men and destroy them end of story, but because of his great LOVE he did not chose that way and instead he worked a plan to save us all if possible by providing a way out ,and that is trough his son sacrifice ,but again we have to follow the requirement of that free offer ,there is even a grace attached to it so that the past can be written totally off ,and so provide a clean start, so that everlasting live is possible to those who produce the fruits there of, and so follow Christ teachings and his apostles written words, have faith in the promise of Christ gospel and live a life worthy to obtain everlasting life, the only way to do this is to chose to do Gods will not like Adam who did his own way and pay the heavy price with his life, their is one thing for sure ,this opportunity of the grace will not be offered for ever, their is a  limited time condition attached to it, no one is dead until God destroys his soul, but as you say Christ mention Mt 8:21 And another of the disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Mt 8:22 But Jesus saith unto him, Follow me; and leave the dead to bury their own dead. what the disciple ask Jesus is to go bury his father and do all the ceremonial rituals attached to it , this was not a practice included in the new message of Christ gospel,because Jesus was preaching everlasting life, so i believe that Christ message should be looked at it in a way that the disciple implicated in the comment understood it ,  if you are disciple of Christ you are living and if you do not you are dead even dough you are alive , but this does not mean that all of the people who lived before Christ have been dead, because their faith included a resurrection ,at the end. Quote In fact we are in the period of eternal life right from conception,where before Jesus,in the old testament,all humans although they were born they were dead!!! and never live again,even if they were righteous. I do not believe that scriptures teach that we are receiving eternal life from conception,it is still a earning grace not a gift without condition, so we have to chose to serve and love God with all our hearts and soul and mind. ALL PEOPLE THAT LIVED BEFORE CHRIST OR DID NOT WHERE CALLED TO BE FOR THE FIRST RESURRECTION WILL BE IN THE SECOND RESURRECTION , so i disagree with your last statement. Pierre

Pierre,

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so that everlasting live is possible to those who produce the fruits there of, and so follow Christ teachings and his apostles written words

No, everlasting life doesn't depend on us, everlasting life came through Jesus Christ Death on the Cross by eliminating Satan spirit from all our creation.

Through Adam sin all humans,I repeat all humans lost eternal life and became the property of Satan in the flesh,because the soul was dead,and no matter how they lived,they went to hell,with the exception of the select,which went to limbo, also a place in hell but without suffering.simply waiting for the saviour to go to paradise.

Now this is important to understand,it is even for me to explain.

Through Adam sin, all humans lost eternal life.

This means that spiritually, humans were not considered part of the original first ever creation of the angels!!! For the simple reason that there was no spiritual consistency of God,because He was rejected through Adam, and they died spiritually.  

Therefore lost the eternal life which was originated from God Himself through the creation of angels, there was no continuation,it has stopped, and only Jesus had to be Himself the bridge which re-established us one with God the Father as Adam was.

So humans acquired back eternal life, and the soul was born again in Jesus spirit,and therefore  became again part of the original creation and this from conception,because Satan lost his authority over humans both on birth, and on death, where before,although they were being born as humans in fact they were dead in their souls in Satan spirit.

Although now,we are living the eternal life which we received through Jesus Death,we still have to live according to His Gospel to achieve salvation.

Through eterna
l life,as soon as we die we will be faced with Jesus to be Judged spiritually,and if we live in His Gospel,which is spiritual teaching in Jesus, we will be saved, if not we will go to eternal punishment.

All those who do not believe in Jesus, they have not eternal life because they are already condemned in Satan.

Again only the select were the exceptions,simply by being born through the power of the Holy Spirit using barren woman,or old aged woman.
This God did to proof that He is in Command,and can change all things in nature which belonged to Satan.

I repeat we are living the eternal life from conception because we are being born alive through the elimination of Satan from all our creation,in body, soul, and unofficially in spirit,but we become officially alive in the spirit,as soon as we are baptised in the name of the Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit.

Then when we become adults through our confirmation by accepting Jesus Spirit to own us.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (csaliba @ July 03 2011,12:03) To clarify Definition: 1st.  (FATHER period) Creation of the spiritual creatures, and cosmos, by the Father, through the word   HIS SON ? 2nd. (SON period) Recreation of our world through the Holy Spirit in the SON OF GOD ? 3rd. (HOLY SPIRIT period) Redeemed, and born again by the HOLY SPIRIT through the Son of God Jesus Christ through his death on the cross? Charles in my mind of understanding there is no periods ,only creation of things but all in their order as the father see it fit. the beginning of creation is the start,but to the end there is no end, and the end of wickedness is only a beginning for the righteous, so to me your periods are not there ,Christ was foretold since Adam sinned, so when Christ return this also was foretold and will be part of what was foretold when Adam sinned, so what i see is many that have participate in the work of that prophecy and some have become share holders in to Gods kingdom. Pierre

Pierre,

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in my mind of understanding there is no periods ,only creation of things but all in their order as the father see it fit. the beginning of creation is the start,but to the end there is no end, and the end of wickedness is only a beginning for the righteous, so to me your periods are not there ,Christ was foretold since Adam sinned,

 

Since you are stating that there are no periods,then God created Evil!!!!, God was the source of Lucifer's rebel!!!!

So Lucifer's interruptions was designed by God,since it is
part of creation and also, we are according to God's design  that we suffer, die, that there's so much filth,
murdering,corruption,and so on and on!!!!

Satan is well pleased with you,because you are practically saying, that we are living under Satan's rules,and Jesus never came,and never existed, never died, and never achieved eternal life,and salvation!!!!for us all!!!

Am I right to believe so through your statement that there are no periods?

Where did eternal life came from?, where did salvation came from???

How on earth you want me to believe that Jesus said in Matthew 8:22:

 Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

and in the same time we are all alive in Jesus Christ now!!!

It is definitely a complete different period, since we were dead,and now we are alive,and also since it wasn't God that wanted us dead like the other old testament period.

So therefore something occurred,which suspended God's creation, and deviated God's process of creation, and God the Father had only one solution to get all those souls back to Him.

That was the sacrificing of the spiritual person of His Son through the power of the Holy Spirit to start recreation from the opposite direction of evil in order to make them righteous, and give them eternal life, because since that rebel they were always dead.
I hope you know the difference between eternal life and salvation,because there's a huge difference!!

In fact we are in the period of eternal life right from conception,where before Jesus,in the old testament,all humans although they were born they were dead!!! and never live again,even if they were righteous.

I will stop now and wait for your comments.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (csaliba @ July 01 2011,12:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2011,12:09) Charles Quote Terraricca, Quote   Mt 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Mt 10:35 For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— Mt 10:36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ Do you really,understand what that means??? Jesus in that scriptures,is making it clear That whoever wants to follow Him, must expect an enormous opposition even from His relatives never mind from neighbours,and foreigners. He stated so because He came to establish spirituality,and it is the opposite of what it was in the old testament which Jesus fulfilled and sealed forever. Unfortunately, we are living a  more carnal life than those of the old testament, in fact we are back to square one slaves of the flesh. According to Jesus we will be more severely punished than those of the old testament, for the simple reason that Jesus removed Satan spirit from our souls,and nature,therefore all the evil we do is through ourselves,where before in the old testament, Satan was the proprietor of all souls,and nature. That's why we needed our saviour Jesus Christ God in Flesh through the power of the Holy Spirit. peace and Love Charles I am very familiar with that scripture, but it seems to me you do not have a good and true grip on the scriptures truth ,the one that comes from the understanding of Gods truth not men truth, first there is no such a thing has the old and new testament men made so,the word of God is one word, and there always was spirituality ,you just have to look in scriptures ,and one more thing what is spirituality? knowing what it mean will help us both, Quote That's why we needed our saviour Jesus Christ God in Flesh through the power of the Holy Spirit. secondly where in scriptures it says that Jesus is God ,you when to religion and they have filled your mind with dirt and this will not help you to see the scriptures the way they are written ,because you have now a preconceived mind (deceit) Pierre Quote  ,and one more thing what is spirituality?     Pierre, I will answer your question through my question! What commandments Jesus established? John 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments. John15:10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Please Pierre,expand on this because I am not sure what you meant!! You stated: first there is no such a thing has the old and new testament men made so,the word of God is one word, peace and love Charles charles Quote What commandments Jesus established? before you answer to your own question; please tell me what did Christ teaches to his disciples that was not covered in the scriptures at his time (so called O.T) your answer to this question also answer to your question for me to expand to ; Pierre

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before you answer to your own question; please tell me what did Christ teaches to his disciples that was not covered in the scriptures at his time (so called O.T)

SPIRITUAL LOVE

Whoever loves spiritually ,he will love in truth.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2011,00:37)

Charles Quote But,with every respect and in Jesus Love, you must pray,fast,behave and act to imitate Jesus in order to receive Light from the Holy Spirit, and prevent Satan to keep you blind . this is a religion procedure not a Godly recommendation, Quote Now these are the scriptures,that Jesus is God: Who is omnipotent (all powerful)? 1 Chronicles 29:11  ( THIS IT TALLKS ABOUT GOD )Philippians 3:20-21 (IN THIS VERSES IT TALLK ABOUT CHRIST) Who is omniscient (all knowing)? 1 John 3:20    (THIS VERSE TALLK ABOUT GOD) Colossians 2:2-3 (IN THESE VERSES IT TALLKS ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF GOD THAT IT WAS THE COMING OF CHRIST) Who is omnipresent (present everywhere)? Proverbs 15:3(THIS IS TALLKING ABOUT GOD) 2 Corinthians 2:14(THIS TALLKS ABOUT GOD LETTING US ACOMPLISH THE WORKS IN CHRIST MEANS PREACH THE GOSPEL) Who is Lord of Sabbath? Genesis 2:3 (THIS TALLKS ABOUT GOD RESTING FROM THE CREATION ON EARTH) Matthew 12:8 (THIS TALLKS ABOUT CHRIST BEING THE LORD OF THE SABBATH )your are mixing things up. Who is the great “I am?” Exodus 3:14 John 8:58 Who is the only creator? Isaiah 44:24 John 1:3 Who is the only savior? Isaiah 43:11, 45:21 Acts 4:12 Who will judge mankind? Isaiah 3:13, 14 2 Corinthians 5:10 John 5:22 Who will judge between the sheep and goats? Ezekiel 34:17 Matthew 25:31-33 Who sent the prophets? Jeremiah 7:25 Matthew 23:34 Who resurrected Jesus? Acts 4:10 John 10:17-18 Who is “coming in glory?” Isaiah 40:5 Matthew 24:30 Who is our Father? Isaiah 63:16 Isaiah 9:6 Who is the “first and last?” Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 1:17 Who is Rock of salvation? 2 Samuel 22:32 1 Corinthians 10:4 Who is Stone of stumbling? Isaiah 8:13-15 1 Peter 2:8 “One crying in the wilderness” came to prepare a way for whom? Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3 Who is eternal? Genesis 21:33 Micah 5:2 Who is the fountain of living waters? Jeremiah 17:13 John 4:10-14 Who resurrects the dead? Acts 26:8 John 6:40 Who gives rewards to man? Isaiah 40:10 Matthew 16:27 Who has all authority and power? 1 Chronicles 29:11 Matthew 28:18 Who gives power and authority to man? Psalm 68:35 Luke 9:1 Who forgives sin? 2 Chronicles 7:14 Matthew 9:6 Who sent the Holy Spirit? John 14:16 John 16:7 Who has the greatest name? Nehemiah 9:5 Philippians 2:9 Whom are we to worship? Exodus 34:14 Revelation 5:12-13 Who is the good Shepherd? Genesis 48:15 John 10:14 Who searches for the lost sheep of Israel? Ezekiel 34:11 Matthew 15:24 Who is “Lord of Lords?” Deuteronomy 10:17 Revelation 17:14 To whom shall every knee bow? Isaiah 45:22-23 Philippians 2:10 Who is the righteous branch of David? Jeremiah 23:5-6 Jeremiah 33:15 Who alone is Holy? 1 Samuel 2:2 Acts 3:14 Whose blood cleanses us? Acts 20:28 1 John 1:7 The world was created for whom? Proverbs 16:4 Colossians 1:16 Who is above all? Nehemiah 9:6 Romans 9:5 Who is forever the same? Psalms 102:24-27 Hebrews 1:8-12 Who is our light? Psalm 27:1 John 8:12 Who is the way or path? Psalms 16:11 John 14:6 Who is in charge of the angels? Psalms 103:20 2 Thessalonians 1:7 Who gives us rest? Exodus 33:14 Matthew 11:28 Who gives eternal life? Proverbs 19:23 John 3:36 We are the bride of whom? Isaiah 54:5 ( YOU ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING SCRIPTURES )2 Corinthians 11:2(HERE PAUL TALLKS ABOUT STEPHEN WHERE HE APPROVED THE LAPIDATION AND WAS THERE.) Who tests the heart and mind? Jeremiah 17:10 Revelation 2:23 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROGRAMED BY RELIGION OF MEN NOT BY THE THE WORD OF GOD,YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE MIXING CHRIST AND GOD AND SO BELIEVE THEY ARE THE SAME AND ONE PERSON,WRONG HOW COULD ONE BE THE FATHER AND THE SON AND ALSO BE THE SON AND THE FATHER, YOUR MIND HAS BEEN ALTERED BY DECEIT ,CLEAN IT UP AND SEE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES. Pierre

Pierre,

All that scriptures are a reference to the Son of God,since all is done through Him, with Him and for Him.

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HOW COULD ONE BE THE FATHER AND THE SON AND ALSO BE THE SON AND THE FATHER,

This is how!!!!

 John 14:9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:
             

The Father was a mystery,and only His son revealed Him.

The Father was always in heaven, therefore, only through His Son within creation was it, possible for the Father to function.

From the time of the rebel by Lucifer,The Father gave all powers to the Son,through the power of the Holy Spirit in order to recreate our world,and start the battle against Satan,which is still in process,although the Son, by the power of the Father in the Holy Spirit,defeated him in the race to become man,and glorify,through what it seemed for Satan a guaranteed victory  after he possessed,the world, new principles, Adam, Eve, sin, and death.

That was a  process which God the Father was more than pleased to give  to His Son, which is total power up to now,and for millions and millions of years to come.The Father was within His Son through the Holy Spirit, in order to create all through Him.

John 16:15All things that the Father hath are mine            

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Charles

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Hi all,

Currently on earth The Holy spirit is reigning in us, and through the Holy Spirit reigns the Son and the Father, So therefore the Holy Spirit is God on Earth,and the Father and the Son are in Heaven.

Jesus is in command over all the universes through His spiritual embodiment, the word of God,which was purposely sacrificed,and  by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Only Jesus is unique, in spiritual flesh, but since  the  Father is one in His son, also Himself is glorified in spiritual flesh,but through His Son, not directly, and inactive,since the Son is in command.

John 16:15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.  

Therefore the Son is the current Almighty God, and it has to be, because only through Jesus there's tolerance for our evil, He understands us since He was human.

 Jeremiah 31:34…………….for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
 

If it was for the Father he would have eliminated us, but since there's Jesus in command He will leave Jesus to rule as He likes:

Luke 13:7Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
   

The father is like a chairman,and  not in a hurry since the Father and the Son are one.

There  are still millions,and millions  of years till the Father takes all under His hand.

We humans still have millions of years to live on this earth but in a different system under the rule of King Jesus Christ, and His Saints

Matthew 5: 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 08 2011,03:24)

Charles Quote Pierre, John 3;13 With every respect to what you read,the only two most old and reliable scriptures are: Douay-Rheims Bible, and King James Version,and they both  state as I posted,the rest are all purposely corrupted  in order to create their own religion,and strengthen their man made god. so could you justify your claim that it create a man made god ? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. NIV Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.KJV Jn 3:13 For only I, the Son of Man, have come to earth and will return to heaven again.NLT JN 3:13 “ No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.NASV Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Eph 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;KJV so show me Pierre

Pierre,
 It's no use argue about scriptures, but to me I cannot see why, since there were two great bibles so old like KJV,and DRBV,there was any need to produce so many versions if not to confuse readers,and also to quench there thirst of establishing  a new belief, and create  different God, Jesus and the rest.

I concluded to rely on DRB,and KJV,after all the rest are derived from the KJV

although also  they are not always the same.

I am posting two pieces of scriptures,from Job, to verify yourself the difference between them.
My insight,which is a reference to Satan, is completely justified when I uses the DRB version .

From the other hand if I were to apply the KJV my insight doesn't even exist

KJV
Job 20:18:That which he laboured for shall he restore, and shall not swallow it down: according to his substance shall the restitution be, and he shall not rejoice therein.

19Because he hath oppressed and hath forsaken the poor; because he hath violently taken away an house which he builded not;

20Surely he shall not feel quietness in his belly, he shall not save of that which he desired.

21There shall none of his meat be left; therefore shall no man look for his goods.

22In the fulness of his sufficiency he shall be in straits: every hand of the wicked shall come upon him.

23When he is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating.

DRB
Job 20:18.He shall be punished for all that he did, and yet shall not be consumed: according to the multitude of his devices so also shall he suffer.

19 Because he broke in and stripped the poor: he hath violently taken away a house which he did not build.

20 And yet his belly was not filled: and when he hath the things he coveted, he shall not be able to possess them.

21 There was nothing left of his meat, and therefore nothing shall continue of his goods:

22 When he shall be filled, he shall be straitened, he shall burn, and every sorrow shall fall upon him.

23 May his belly be filled, that God may send forth the wrath of his indignation upon him, and rain down his war upon him.

KJV 19 says: hath forsaken the poor

DRB.19 says:Because he broke in and stripped the poor

When you read KJV you understand that the word  poor ,is a reference to poverty.

When you read BRB. you understand that the word poor is a reference to weakness.

When you take all the scripture in DRB, it is quite clear that this is a reference to a particular rape. This is only possible when you refer to the interlinear to discover the definitions of house within that context which is a daughter,and build which means having children.

When you reflect on the whole of 19, it is quite clear that it is a reference to a violent attack,on a particular daughter which was raped,and also he wasn't her father.

The KJV used  forsaken instead of stripped, which has nothing to do with it,and completely takes whoever is reading in a different,and wrong direction.

DRB 20, it says clear that the attacker was never satisfied,and also that when he succeed in doing what he always wished, he wont be able to possess them.

In KJV 20 although it is quite the same but it is not as clear.

There was no need to take all that hustle regarding DRB history,because I am aware of all that.Thanks any way.

I believe all Churches are holy since they are in the name of Jesus Christ.

He only said believe in me, and you will believe in the one who sent me.

WE receive from Him,  what we believe in Him.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Hi 3T33:

Jesus never opened His mouth through all His passion,and He did it for all of us.Just copy Jesus,trust in Him,offer all for His five wounds, do it for Him and He will relieve you, accept whatever is coming to you in His name,ask Him to help you,even He had Simon to help him carrying the cross to show us that He will help us if we accept with love our cross,for His love. Be humble,and talk to him,like you talk to a person, be simple and open hearted, regret your past wicked life,even if you were not that bad,because in front of Him we are always sinful.
He will transform you if you be honest and full of faith.
I love you and I will pray for you in order that you will acquire eternal life.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (csaliba @ Aug. 07 2011,23:29) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2011,06:25) Quote (csaliba @ Aug. 07 2011,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2011,04:26) all Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Jn 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave, his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John always recognize Christ as the son never as God himself Pierre Pierre, Referring to John 3:13 KJV,it ends: even the Son of man which is in heaven. The one you posted has the above missing. My Point: Since Jesus said that He is in heaven,and in the same time He is the world, it isn't a enough proof that He is God??? Quote Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.     KJV:John 3:13 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles Charles Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. when John wrote his letter was Christ the son of God in heaven ? or would you try to make me understand what ? Pierre Pierre, John wrote all those worlds in the exact manner that Jesus pronounced them. Now read again the full statement: The first sentence it says : Jesus answered and said unto him, So all those words are the exact as stated by Jesus while He was on earth on that moment in time. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles charles Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. my scripture is more representative than your,it seems that there is a addition in some, the NIV seems a better translation on that, it shows that Christ the son of God and the son of man came from heaven,and so is not God , Pierre

Pierre,

With every respect to what you read,the only two most old and reliable scriptures are:

Douay-Rheims Bible, and King James Version,and they both  state as I posted,the rest are all purposely corrupted  in order to create their own religion,and strengthen their man made god.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2011,06:25)

Quote (csaliba @ Aug. 07 2011,12:58) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 01 2011,04:26) all Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Jn 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, Jn 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. Jn 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave, his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John always recognize Christ as the son never as God himself Pierre Pierre, Referring to John 3:13 KJV,it ends: even the Son of man which is in heaven. The one you posted has the above missing. My Point: Since Jesus said that He is in heaven,and in the same time He is the world, it isn't a enough proof that He is God??? Quote Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.     KJV:John 3:13 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Peace and love in Jesus Christ Charles Charles Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. when John wrote his letter was Christ the son of God in heaven ? or would you try to make me understand what ? Pierre

Pierre,

John wrote all those worlds in the exact manner that Jesus pronounced them.

Now read again the full statement:

The first sentence it says :

Jesus answered and said unto him, So all those words are the exact as stated by Jesus while He was on earth on that moment in time.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

Charles

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