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I affirm that the Father is the one true God. When I say that the Father is God, then it follows that his wisdom and power is God. (Just as your mine is T8, granting that it is your real name, your body is T8, and your soul is T8)
I will say again that Christ viewed himself not equal to God although he is (Phil.2:5-8) but humbled himself and took the form of a servant. If Jesus declared, “I am God”, he destroyed his mission on earth.
In John 17:1-3, if he declared that he is God, then he glorified himself, not the Father. That also explains why he said to Mary Magdalene, “your God and my God”
Of course, the passage is true: the Father is the only true God (In John 10:35 “I and my Father are one”) and Jesus Christ, whom you sent. There is no contradiction in this passage that Jesus is God.
Jesus is the Son of God. That's right, no doubt to that. Jesus is God, as written in I John 5:20. Notice that the antecendent of the Son is “true God and eternal life”. You can't make any interpretation for it teaches clearly the divinity of Christ. It doesn't contradict in any way John 17:3 nor I Cor. 8:6.
May I ask: If Jesus is not God, who is he? Is he “a god”? Is he a mere person only, although God created the world through him (Heb. 11:3), the world was created by him (Col. 1:16; John 1:3), pre-existed before Abraham (now that's not human!) – John 8:58, who only hath immortality (I Tim 6:15)?
How could he create a world if he is only human? How could he exist before Abraham if he is only human?In John 1:1, there is no contradiction to the notion that Jesus is God. “and the Word was with God (he is the wisdom and they are one, remember) and the Word was God”. If the translation is really wrong, how come all the versions of the Bible, except the New World Translation renders it “the Word was God” not “the Word was a god”? You mean that all of those translators are wrong? We translate the Bible what is written from the original not because we don't understand it and change it.
Is Jesus “a god”? Then it is henotheistic (the act of worshipping one god without denying the existence of other gods) and not monotheistic (Deut. 6:4)
In John 20:31, it says that Jesus is the Son of God. Correct, he is the Son of God. You mean that if he is the Son of God, he is not God?
Hehe, I'm a new member and I notice that there are many here who doesn't agree that Jesus is God. what is the religion of the most of the members here?
I want to classify three points:
1. The Father is God. (John 6:27)
2. Christ is the “power and wisdom” of God (I Cor. 1:24)Now if Jesus is the power and wisdom of God, then he's God! For example, there is a man named Peter. Is his wisdom Peter? Is his heart Peter? Is his soul Peter? Of course!That what makes him Peter.
Now, we ask, is the power and wisdom of God God?Of course! Thats what makes him. If we say that there is only one God, then it follows that his being, his spirit, his wisdom and power is included or else we make him a powerless God. Notice that his word made the world
Heb 11:3
“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear” (KJV)The Word of God is Christ (John 1:1, Revelation 19:13).
3. The Holy Spirit is (of course) the Spirit of God! Genesis 1:2
Now we ask again, is the Spirit of God God? Of course? John 4:24 says that God is a Spirit. Of course when we say that the Father is God, then his spirit is also included! Some say that the Spirit is Person in the Godhead but the Bible says “Spirit of God”
It is very logical. When I refer to Dan Brown, I refer not only to his hands or feet or his eyes but I refer to all he is. This includes his mind, his flesh, his wisdom, and all of his.
When I say one God, I refer to all what makes him, his wisdom (Christ) and his spirit (Holy Spirit).
Well, this may be too much. Maybe I can't reply or write messages for a few days. Feel free to ask me but maybe I can't reply in a couple of days. Please understand well what I presented above before criticizing me [if there are =) ]and again, I don't seek debates. I just answer and ask according what is written in the Bible and secondly, in my own view point.
I believe that the Father is greater than Jesus.
John 14:28 says that the Father is greater than Jesus. He is obedient to the will of the Father. That is because in Phil. 2:5-9, Jesus, although in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God but humbled himself. This is his mission, to humble himself and to glorify the Father.
“And took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death at the cross.”
Of course, when he humbled himself, John 17:3 becomes easy to understand.
Even so, the Son is still subjected to the Father. In I Cor. 15:8,it says that in the end, the Son will deliver the kingdom to God.
“Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.” (KJV)
In the proposition “Jesus is God”, Jesus' subjection to the Father doesn't affect anyhow the proposition given.
(P.S. – May I just ask?
david are you a member of Jehovah's Witnesses?)Well, I don't like to debate anyone.
I just want to get the ideas of others in this site.The proposition that I want to defend is – “Jesus is God”
This is important for all to understand.Well, here are the reasons:
Without many explanations, I'll go straight to the point. There are numerous passages that directly confirms that Jesus is God.
As many knows, John 1:1 says the the “Word was God”. In verse 14, it says that the “Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” so the Word became flesh.
In John 20:28, Thomas declared to Jesus “My Lord and my God”. Jesus didn't rebuke him for saying that he was God, but rebuked him for his unbelief that he resurrected from the dead.
In I John 5:20, it reads :
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” (KJV)
This testifies that Jesus is God.In Hebrews 1:8, the Father acknowledged Jesus' deity.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (KJV)
In Old Testament, Isaiah prophesied that a child will be born.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (KJV)
Isaiah said that he is a “Mighty God”.
Well, this is for now. If you want to send your comments, it's fine
I don't know what is the general view of the members here in the trinity because I'm a newcomer. I don't believe in the trinity but I do recognize Jesus is God. If you want my explanation, u can ask questions from me
