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[chosenone]

Hi David.
See the following verses in 1 Cor:15:21-28… This is what it will be at the “Consummation”, the completion of His (Gods) creation.

21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Hi David.

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My question wasn't one of 'can God do evil'? It was more of: Doesn't God always get what he desires? God desires all to attain to repentance. And he doesn't desire any to be destroyed. But the bible says many will be destroyed. So does it not seem that God does not always get what he desires?

Some scripture from Isaiah that you may find interesting…

Isaiah 46:10…Saying, All My counsel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.

46:11…Indeed I speak! Indeed I will bring it about.
I formed. Indeed I will do it.

Another scripture that may interest you.

Isaiah 45:7 Former of light and creator of darkness,
Maker of good and creator of evil.
I,Ieue Alueim, made all of these things.

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,16:24)

Hi Jerry, Who is disagreeing with this verse; do you know anybody? 1 Tim 4:9-10 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J.
Yes, most do not agree that all mankind will be saved.

Blessings.

[chosenone]

1Tim.4:9-11…
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2012,16:50)

Quote (chosenone @ Feb. 21 2012,16:05) Hi Ed J,   Nick refers to an “Eternal Gospel”, I don't see any biblical reference of an “Eternal Gospel”. Blessings. Hi ChosenOne, And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; (Rev.14:6-7) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed J,
Some versions have it mistranslated, the Greek word 'aion' in some versions have it misinterpeded as 'everlasting' or 'eternal'. The correct translation would be 'eon', meaning the longest period of time in scripture.
A correct translation of Rev.14:6-7 is…

6 And I perceived another messenger flying in mid-heaven, having an eonian evangel to bring to those situated on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and language and people,
7 saying with a loud voice, “Be ye afraid of God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judging came; and worship the Maker of heaven and the land and the sea and the springs of water.”
(Concordant version)

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Hi Ed J,
Nick refers to an “Eternal Gospel”, I don't see any biblical reference of an “Eternal Gospel”.

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 22 2007,18:10)

Hi CO, What was wrong with the eternal gospel?

There wasn't one.

[chosenone]

Where are they going to get the money? Easy answer,,, print it of course, that is what countries are doing, printing billions of 'dollars' pounds, euros, etc. The world economies are broke, currencies
are being inflated until the're worthless, the “great tribulation” near?

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Pierre, sorry, I appologise, I didn't know you were Jewish.

God Bless.

[chosenone]

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co so you denying that this quote in not for the believer of today,

I believe what scripture says, not what man says it means… see Gal.2:7-8.

Blessings.

[chosenone]

In understanding scripture, it is important to 'correctly cut the word of truth'.

Meaning it is important to know… “who is speaking, and to whom it is spoken to”.

Most misunderstanding is because of an ignorance of this truth. Paul explains this truth in Gal.2:7-9

7 But, on the contrary, perceiving that I (Paul) have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision,
8 according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations),
9 and, knowing the grace which is being given to me, James and Cephas and John, who are supposed to be pillars, give to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we, indeed, are to be for the nations, yet they for the Circumcision-

I hope this explains that 2 Peter (2Pe) is to the circumcision, not to us in this present economy.

God Bless.

[chosenone]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2011,01:37)

Chosenone……….Good to see you back Brother. Hope all is well with you, As you know i also agree with what you posted. i believe we all have a lot more going for us then we realize, Not becasue of who we are , but becasue of who God the Father is and the Power to Create righteousness in all his creation. Glad to see your back Brother.   peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

Hi Gene, thanks for the warm welcome, and I agree with your statements. I have chosen to not be so involved with discussions of this sort, but I do look at it at times, and will comment if I feel it a benefit to others and myself. I feel it doesn't benefit any or myself to endlessly debate what scripture means, but I will take part at times.

God Bless.

[chosenone]

All is predestined, we have no choice, and no part in our salvation, all will be saved. It is God, and Him alone who saves us, see Eph.1:11…
11 in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
Again… “All is of God” (2Cor.5:18-19…18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.)

Mankind, in his unscriptural opinion, thinks that he is the author of his own salvation by what he can accomplish. Nothing is further from the truth, ALL IS Of GOD!

Blessings.

[chosenone]

Here is what scripture says about “the CONSUMMATION”, the completed work of Gods creation. No where else in scripture is this revealed…

1Cor.15:21-28

21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

Who can argue with Gods word? He WILL BE “All in all”!

God says in 1Tim.2:4…”Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth”.

Many seem to think that 'Gods will' is just a 'wish', that He is unable to do what He wants, that mankinds so-called “free will” can overpower Gods will. What nonsence!!!

God Bless.

[chosenone]

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few will be saved ,Why ? no one search for the truth of God and practice it and love him ,that is why ,

1Tim.4:9-11.
9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.

It is Gods will that non should perish… Is our God unable to do what He wishes?

Blessings.

[chosenone]

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Ho Lord what will be now the out come of all this ?

Explained in 1Corinthians 15:20-28

20 (Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing.
21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

[chosenone]

Correction… 1Thessalonians 4:15-18 (corrections to the previous post)

[chosenone]

1Thessalonians 1:15-18

15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first.
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words.

[chosenone]

1Thes.4:14-18…

14 For, if we are believing that Jesus died and rose, thus also, those who are put to repose, will God, through Jesus, lead forth together with Him.
15 For this we are saying to you by the word of the Lord, that we, the living, who are surviving to the presence of the Lord, should by no means outstrip those who are put to repose,
16 for the Lord Himself will be descending from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the Chief Messenger, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ shall be rising first,
17 Thereupon we, the living who are surviving, shall at the same time be snatched away together with them in clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And thus shall we always be together with the Lord.
18 So that, console one another with these words.

God Bless.

[chosenone]

1Cor.8:5-6…

5 For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords,
6 nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him.

1Cor.11:3…

3 Now I want you to be aware that the Head of every man is Christ, yet the head of the woman is the man, yet the Head of Christ is God.

Eph.1:3…

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ,

Eph.1:17…

17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may be giving you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the realization of Him,

John.17:3…

3 Now it is eonian life that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Him Whom Thou dost commission, Jesus Christ.

Just a few, there are many more.

Blessings.

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