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if it were really inspired of god and really what god wants us to learn, there would be 100% truth in it, just like the bible has 100% truth in it…

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“Thus ,if, as you say, the Holy Spirit does not hold equal rank with the Father and Son, you have just rejected a major premise of trinitarian theology.”

hm thats interesting, i have some something for you to think about.. so Oxy you dont that the holy Spirit has equal rank with father and son and you believe in the trinity? well then obviously you see something just doesnt add up… think about this…. if you think a piece of the trinity is wrong then how can the entire idea be right? you cant have a mixture of truths and lies and ultimately deem it as one truth… that is just foolish…. therefore if you believe a piece of the trinity is wrong then the ENTIRE thing should be wrong all together to you… i hope this helps

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oh okay sorry slasher i thought u were trying to use that verse to prove what u believe, sorry lol i just read your post, maybe i should take my own advice and read everything before i post something hahaha… my bad

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err excuse me its called comma johanneum

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WOW you people SEROIUSLY need to stop copying and pasting stuff before you look it up….

OKAY, for future reference 1 john 5:7 AKA the Johanneum Clause is NOT a valid scripture and was NOT in the original epistle of john…. STOP USING IT AS PROOF… look at ALL modern translations today and youll find they have taken it out for this VERY reason…

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but i dont see how it proves me wrong… it calls michael a great prince too… and even chief prince… yes we know there are many princes but if michael is chief prince and jesus is chief prince then i dont see how i can be wrong

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and i kind of do consider jesus to be a prince… a prince takes over his fathers kingdom… jesus is taking over his fathers kingdom, the bible says that he sits at his right hand until all enemies are placed under his feet and then jesus will be made king over the earth…

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a verse in Isaiah calls Jesus the prince of peace

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err i wasnt aware of that i mean

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yeah your right he was mentioned before jesus ascended, a long time before, i was aware of that… but that makes no difference….it doesnt prove what im saying wrong…

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what daniel 10:14 doesnt say that

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its like a foreshadowing too, michael defeated satan in heaven just like jesus is going to destroy satan…. not that this matters but i believe michael the archangel was never mentioned until after Jesus ascended to heaven so that is also another thing to think about… but you know i doubt youre going to buy this e because since Jesus is an angel it would prove he was created and that he really could not be God…

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lol how many times do i have to tell you… that was the first thing that i did… i dont care what i believe in as long as its in the bible… i prayed for God to give me absolute truth, to let me see clearly through the deceptions of mankind, to set my path straight for me because i am willing to follow it no matter what course it takes me.. believe me, i did this for weeks… an opportunity to learn about Jehovah's Witnesses came upon me so I took it and now here i am… i prayed afterwards so i could be absolutely sure i was doing the right thing, i prayed a lot… and now i am convinced of it… and btw you talked about us thinking jesus is an angel, well i read this before i became a Jehovah's Witness and I read it in the bible for my self… see here:

first of all THE archangels name is Michael, the name Michael means who is like god… just hear me out here thats not where im basing this from lol… okay first off we know that in Genesis 49:1,2 and Matthew 10:2 that people like Jacob and Peter were given different names (Israel and Simon) because they were in different roles… well first off the bible always refers to Michael as THE archangel in singular form which means hes the chief angel, so we know theres only one archangel…

1 Thes 4:16 says he will have the voice of an archangel… why would he have the voice of an archangel unless he truly was THE archangel? thats not all tho

the bible states that michael and his angels battled with the dragon and its angels Rev 12:7.. thus michael is the leader of an army of faithful angels. revelation also describes jesus as the leader of an army of faithful angels in rev 19:14-16.. and the apostle paul specifically mentions the lord jesus and his powerful angels 2 thess 1:7 Matthew 16:27, 24:31 , 1 Peter 3:22 .. so the bible speaks of both Michael and his angels and Jesus and his angels (matthew 13:41) … since gods word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven one headed by michael and one headed by jesus, i can only conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role…

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i wouldnt have made up my mind without thinking about this stuff and reading what the bible tells me i should be looking for…

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lol im not that stupid… of course i have taken all this into account

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i have done this, believe me… didnt you read my posts from before….

“i began my search with no attachments to any organization at all but after i had decided everything for myself i had the opportunity to speak with a jehovah's witness and everything i believed in seemed to go along with everything that they believe, because its what the bible says and nothing more… no other organization i know is preaching in over 230 lands in over 400 languages… the bible talks about one group who will witness in his name and they it says “they will spread the good news of the kingdom in all of the lands, and then the end will come” thats somewhere in Matthew.. in my opinion there has to be one group of people out there who are fullfilling everything the bible says and are preaching in 100% truth, because why would god not allow this to happen? he must have made it possible for one group to have complete and full truth in them in order to fullfill his purpose… it just makes sense to me.. and i am deeply convinced from reading the bible and meeting the types of people Jehovah's Witnesses are that they are truly his people… i couldnt find more proper people if i searched the world my entire life, any other religion ive witnessed has people who claim to be such good christians yet you see them leading immoral lives, constantly using curse words, and just not following precisely what the bible says, i cant find that in a kingdom hall, so ive decided to fully stand behind Jehovah's Witnesses until the end.. :/

and of course we know the bible talks about unity… well i dont know any other group more unified than jehovahs witnesses…. you have a billion catholic churches but none of them is more unified with the next, im sure some of their teachings also fluctuate depending on the church… well thats not the case with jehovahs witnesses, every congregation is studying the exact same things as eachother on the same days… it gives me a good feeling to know all of this and im not going to let it go… “

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thats what im doing… and ive done that i plan on being baptised as a Jehovah's Witness soon

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what.. ur confusing me now

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im not even baptised yet i cant get disfellowshipped lol…. im sorry ive wasted my time reading all of that stuff, anything ive read from an anti jehovahs witness website is completely false why should i waste my time with the junk your copying and pasting? talk to me with your own words if you wish to get anywhere because i dont bother with apostasies any longer…

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hey dude read it for your self

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

there are MANY lords and gods… there is only one true god, Jehovah… Jesus is not Jehovah… your most tragically mistaken…

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