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[Tonya burrell]

God does not have plans, He purposes according to His will. Plans fail, God does not (Isaiah 55:11-12).

The only reason everyone will not be saved is because everyone will not choose to turn to God. If we act outside of our own choice then we are programmed and are robots essentially. That would make this all just a big game therefore. That means free will is a lie and so is God for being directly behind and deliberately causing all evil. The whole doctrine contradicts itself and thus cannot stand. You cannot have free will in predestination. They are polar opposites and philosophy tries to mix oil with water. Knowing truth from what is false is tied to Hebrews 11:1. Knowing the truth is part of the faith process and is its foundation. Romans 10:11-15?

The truth is from scripture and is complete. The false message is incomplete and lacking foundation and maturity. Truth is harmonious across the entire bible and does not cherry-pick. Truth does not require alternative thinking or wordplay and does not contain philosophy.
All kingdoms have an elect, to care for the kingdom. The elect do God’s will… once they are elected to do so. People chose to turn away from God and love the lie… its their own choice (2Thessalonians 2). Finding out God is behind everything wrong with the universe just to fix something He saw as good from the start is quite depressing.

“With the glory I HAD BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED” so how can Jesus possibly be speaking of predestination? Jesus literally spoke of his own past which predates the world! Revelation 3:14 says Jesus was the beginning of all creation. Colossians 1 says this several times. Jeremiah was not before the world as Jesus claimed to be. Despite God’s calling, people must still prove faithful to the calling by their own choice (Matthew 20:16). Jeremiah had to make a choice himself (Jeremiah 1:17). You have to test the spirits as 1John 4:1 says. This is how you know you have the truth. Acts 17:11 is also crucial. If a teaching conflicts with scripture, the teaching is false. It is good to stay away from false teachings when you see they’re false. You know they’re false when they contradict what you know to be truth as there’s only 1 faith. False teachers sound good but they are all selective in their doctrines thus there’s verses which contradict their teachings. John 8:58 speaks just as plainly that Jesus existed before Abraham. Predestination means everything that ever happened is completely God’s fault cause the doctrine ultimately holds that ‘man has no choice’! This is the whole free will ignorance and mind game because free will is your own choices. This doctrine also hangs heavily upon faith alone. That’s because its all about the ignorance of God’s choices and what it really means. Even after someone is chosen by God, they must prove faithful which alone contradicts predestination (Hebrews 6:4-6).
Predestination is a lie, there is no point in it and it goes against everything biblical by misusing a handful of verses and ignoring the rest. God does not know all. Genesis 18:21 reveals God came to know the situation in Sodom from the angels investigating. Psalms 14:2 says that God looks for those seeking Him which means He does not know everyone who will worship Him in advance. 2Peter 3:9 makes no sense is God already knows who will worship Him and who won’t. Its senseless for God to be long suffering and patient with people He already knows won’t worship. That’s just dumb (Isaiah 30:18). Do you understand how the tree of Romans 11 works. Romans 11:23 makes no sense if God already knows the outcome. Keep in mind, its not a matter of God’s ability to know, it’s a matter of His choosing to know which the bible reveals is not the case. Romans 11:28-32 goes a step further in how our own choices, despite God’s, determines the outcome. Nobody was made to go to hell because that makes God wicked and not good. There was nothing to save if Adam and Eve did not choose to go against free will. Predestination is not love but favoritism and partiality. God does love us 1st and set us up for hell before we have a chance to sin (1John 4:19)! Lol. God does not save anyone without their exercising free will to worship and continue to stick with Him. Without knowing who God and Jesus are, there is no life to look forward to (John 17:3). This whole issue began in the Garden over free will so that’s the issue. Life comes about the same way it was lost, free will. God offered up Jesus but Jesus said he surrendered his own life. Abraham offered Isaac but Isaac didn’t fight it any more than Jesus. Only those doing God’s will can be saved (Matthew 7:21-27). We still have to obey the laws of Christ! God bless!! 🙂

[Tonya burrell]

Im wondering how you can assume that im unrepentant? That is actually very untrue.  I have been seeking after God for almost 3 years now and am getting answers to my prayers now praise God! Are you claiming to have the holy spirit? If so im unsure as to someone who has the holy spirit would act as you do. You assume quickly just because someone don’t believe as you do that they are not in the book of life. That is uncalled for on your part as you are not God to even know my heart.  You also seem to believe in Calvinism as they follow predestination and just because God is all knowing, does not mean he shoves us around like chess pieces.  We are not puppets. We don’t sit around and wait for God to move us. I sure hope you don’t.  God gives us choices that we ourselves are accountable for so that He is not at fault for the choices we make.  If by predestination, why do we even need a guide/the bible?

 

You also have the attitude Calvinists, I know because my brother has fallen into it and I deal with it everyday.  There are those that are chosen to do certain things for God but not everyone receives the holy spirit to my understanding.  It takes work to get it and work to keep it as constant repentance is required as in the type, King David.  He begged God not to take it from him.  It wouldn’t be recorded if not a type for us.

 

Im not sure how long you have had your faith but if you had the spirit, as you claim to have, you would show it out of love and even tough love is ok but not hate or through assumptions.  Now Nick Hassen, I can see having the spirit.  Those with the spirit would speak truth thru scripture and out of respect for others and want to teach others.  Have a good night 🙂

[Tonya burrell]

Terraricca, Amen! Thank you!!! I was wondering how he got that interpretation from John 17:5 since it clearly states that Jesus had the glory with the Father before the world was.  There is no way to look at that any other way than what it says.

 

[Tonya burrell]

Thank you Nick Hassen, blessings to you!! 🙂

[Tonya burrell]

Yes Terraricca, sorry I was just explaining that Jesus was there as well as the Father meaning they can’t be as one 🙂   I agree with what you are saying.

 

Kerwin, That verse also states that Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was. Stating Jesus was with the Father before the world was right? Blessings!!!

[Tonya burrell]

So if there are 2 beings as rev 5:1-7 states, then what about when Jesus prays to return to the Father from where he came from in John 17:5?  So you believe in two beings but Jesus didn’t pre exist his being human? Am trying to understand your beliefs 🙂

[Tonya burrell]

Here it looks to me as two beings here as in the Father and Jesus both. Am I wrong here?  Or John 17:20-23? God bless!

 

Revelation 5:1-7King James Version (KJV)

5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

[Tonya burrell]

The apostle Paul wrote, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON [who is in HIS own image! — Heb.1:1-2], that he might be the FIRSTBORN among MANY BRETHREN ” (Romans 8:29).

 

Can you explain this verse? Thank you 🙂

 

[Tonya burrell]

Correction, I meant 1 Corinthians 12:12!

[Tonya burrell]

This is not my view but a view from someone else to me.  Im not completely understanding of it so I was asking you if you knew what it meant. To my understanding Jesus pre existed which is also the view of the person im quoting from here. He was Son in spirit but son in human form.  Son in spirit is not of 1 Son because that 1 Son consists of many.  The body of Christ which is 1 but many parts to make that 1 body as 1 Corinthians 1:12 explains.  My confusion here is reborn.  If Jesus was born from God before the world was created, then him being born as a human would mean he was reborn? Or was he born again at his baptism? From my undrestanding Jesus was a man until he was baptized at the age of 30 in order to have his 3 and a half year ministry to show us he was the Son of God and that thru him, we too can have the Father in us as he did.  We become one with Jesus.  Which is the will of the Father that we follow His Son.  Jesus had to obey like we are told to obey. How is he our example if he was not a human? How do we follow him if we are human and he was God? The miracles he performed, he prayed to the Father first and God listened to Jesus.  God fulfilled those miracles for the purpose to show Jesus was who they say he was.  So if we pray to God for someone, it is by the will of God that those prayers are answered as in the case with Jesus. With God’s permission miracles are done.  As I understand it, Jesus didn’t do those but God did thru His spirit that was in Jesus after his baptism.  Even the apostles performed miracles and spoke in tongues due to the spirit.  So we too can do the will of God if we truly seek Him with our hearts and He gives us that spirit.  Im learning that it takes much work to get the spirit and much work to keep the spirit.  Im still learning here 🙂 God bless you!

[Tonya burrell]

Thank you!!! Can you tell me what this says to you? God bless ya:)

Son is a title as used by the context. This title was used in reference to humans. The Spirit says: She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. Who is this “son” the bible says will “rule all the nations” if not Jesus? Where was this birth of the son? Revelation 12:1-3 says the answer is heaven… this was all seen in heaven! So this Son was not born on earth. Also, this did not take place before all creation as the Woman and the Dragon already existed. Again, who is the Son? The point is: was Jesus the only Son? John ends this vision saying: Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. What offspring was mentioned besides the 1 Son… ever? There is only 1 Son and this offspring is more than 1 person thus Jesus is not the only Son. What biblical proof is there of this? Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. So its time to ask again: who is the Son of Revelation 12:5? If its the Christ then his birth could only have been his being born again! If its not Jesus then who is this born from heaven and ruling all the nations, protected from the Dragon? The Son though 1, is many! Paul continues in 1Corinthians 12 saying: For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Now here’s that word “it” again! Notice how its used: Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. So its clear what “it” is that Peter understood by the Father; “it” is not Just the head but the whole Body of Christ! It is not I who says this but the bible.
After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. Then he completes Ephesians 5 saying: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. So it appears that there is a profound mystery which was missed here in claiming Jesus is the only Son! Now more proof that Jesus was a Son having nothing to do with his being God, a God or the only Son…..

[Tonya burrell]

What is the meaning of, “let US make man in OUR image”? Thanks 🙂

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