Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
@bodhitharta
Seed merely means offspring and indeed, Jesus was a woman’s offspring according to His flesh.Regarding Elijah and Enoch, you are right, they were taken up to heaven without dying. What is your point about this? However, Jesus died, i.e. His flesh died but the person of Jesus that dwelt in that flesh continued and was reunited with…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
@bodhitharta
you asked:if the NT /the gospels don’t state these things how do you assert them?
Jesus came into flesh through the seed of a woman and He is the only one that has defeated the power of death and satan. Do you disagree with that?
Also, Peter writes in 1 Peter 2 that Jesus is the cornerstone, the stone of stumbling that is w…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
@bodhitharta
Thank you, we are blessed beyond measure!you said:
Now as far as John 1:1, there is an automatic tendency to equate that verse to Genesis, because we read about “The beginning” in Genesis we take John 1:1 in the same context but on closer examination it appears John is speaking about Jesus in the context of a not so distant pas…
Grasshopper replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 11 months ago
In a closed discussion between @Lightenup and @bodhitharta, @Lightenup wrote :
Sometimes ‘eternal’ does mean always existent. The eternal life that is spoken about in 1 John 1 is Jesus and the Bible clearly tells us that He is the source of life. The source of life would not have a source of his life or that source would be the source of lif…
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 12 months ago
@bodhitharta
you asked:Luke 1:2
“Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning (arche) were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word (logos)”
Notice the term “beginning” and “logos” how is it you take this beginning and logos differently from John 1:1?
The context is different.
Also, you said:
The term eternal doe…
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 12 months ago
@bodhitharta
You think you worship God daily but you never celebrate the incarnation and in fact you deny it’s existence. Do you deny the other miracles of God also and call that worship?If you believed in the miracle of the incarnation, you could take advantage of Christmas to remind/teach this story of God’s greatest gift to the next…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 9 years, 12 months ago
@bodhitharta
From what I can tell, the ‘divine always existent Son’ always perfectly honors and glorified His Father and His Father perfectly honors and glorifies His Son. There is no need for religious worship within their relationship. The Son wasn’t created by anyone and has no need for another being to save Him.When the pre-existent Son, the…[Read more]
Camillia replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 10 years ago
Do you believe all the words of the scriptures excluding Paul’s epistles?
If you believe all the words of the scriptures then you would see that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind, and Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father, since His first advent, teachings, death and resurrection.
‘No man comes to the Father but through me. John…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 10 years ago
@bodhitharta
you asked:So Jehovah is more like an office like Christ?
I would say that Jehovah is an always existent entity.
So Melchezidek and Jesus also share a office/priesthood?
No they don’t share an office/priesthood but they both were a king and a priest, a priest in a way that did not come from their lineage. Jesus was from the tribe of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 10 years ago
The unity of the two persons of Jehovah is represented by the singular pronoun “He/Him” in some contexts. The church is like this also. There can be many churches in an community but ultimately they are a part of the one church in which Christ is the Head. The church is even called ‘she’ as in a singular noun, even though it is made…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 10 years ago
You asked for evidence of Jesus being prayed to:
Acts 7:59
They continued to stone Stephen while he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
Also, you asked:
Regarding your “no other theos” statements you seem to miss the point: Jesus said that there was only ONE TRUE THEOS and The Father said HE is THE ONE GOD and there is NO…
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 10 years ago
Well hello Bo, I hope you are doing well!
How is Jesus as theos different from others who are called theos (other than the Father)?
The disciples prayed to Jesus and none of the others who are called theos (other than the Father).
No other theos (other than the Father) can forgive the sins of mankind.
No other theos (other than…[Read more]