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[Becky]

David,

You really need to look up divinity, because no one is denying Christ divinity. Divinity means godlike qualities, which jesus certainly has being the son of god. But being divine in no way means he is god. By say he is god is saying that he is a liar. Jesus told us that he is the son of god and to worship the father in spirit and truth. But by saying that Jesus is god aren’t we then worshiping him and not who he told us to. It is very sad when people can’t take our savior at his word.

[Becky]

David,

That is where you have to choose what cult teachings you want to believe. I for one choose to not believe in the cult teaching of the trinity. I choose to believe who Jesus told us he is, the son of god, the messiah, and our savior.

[Becky]

David,
Fact? Really look up the word cult because every religion can be considered a cult. I often wonder why people who claim to live there life for God feel they have the right to spew such words to and about people and other religions.

[Becky]

Wondering,

I have to disagree that people should not teach. 2 Timothy 3:16 states: All scripture is breathed out by God and probitiable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training righteousness. I do not claim to be a teacher nor do I know if I will ever be. I come to forums to try to get an understanding of why people believe what they do and hope that they share scriptures to support that belief. Then I enjoy looking up those scriptures to see if I get the same understanding.

[Becky]

Wondering,

Sorry my bad. I did try looking up christology but couldn’t get any info on what was believe since there seem to be different types or maybe it is just broken into two parts. As for the Holy Spirit not sure if I want to or even how to define it. All I know is what I have read in the bible so far and that is it is gods spirit or active force. It is obviously an extension of of god but I don’t know if I would say the Holy Spirit is god. On that I probably need to take a closer look at the scriptures. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Becky]

I mean greater than Jesus.

[Becky]

Wondering,

My father, who has given them to me, is greater than all

Ok now take the appositive out and it say My father is greater than all. Wouldn’t that include Jesus.

I and the father are one.

I and my husband are one. But I am not my husband and my husband is not me.

[Becky]

God gave me a brain for a reason. And with that brain I fully intend to test all spirits to make sure they come from God. If that is logic then I thank God that he gave it to me. Since we have our brains shouldn’t we then look as close as we can at the few things in the bible that might come not as straight forward. Since one of the gods in John 1:1 is accusative and one is nominative it makes person think.

[Becky]

David,
You said the “you have become blinded by the simple realities”

If they were that simple conversations like this would not happen. There are scriptures like 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, and 1 Timothy 2:5 that say there is one God. Those first two scriptures even go as far as says that that one God is the Father. That sounds pretty simple to me. There is one god and he is the father.

[Becky]

Wondering,

Did you know that the 7th day Adventists and jehovah witnesses both originated from the Advent Movement of the 1800s that was based on a man named Williams Miller and his prophecies. Theses people broke apart when his prophecy didn’t come true. Some followed Ellen G. white becoming Adventists and the others followed Charles Taze Russell and became witnesses. The majority of the Adventist teachings are the same as held to by the Watchtower Society. The main differences is that they generally adhere to the sabbath and the trinity. Interesting isn’t it. Google it!

[Becky]

All I was trying to tell you was that you like you were judging them to me. If you sound like that to me you could very well sound like that to others. I don’t agree with their beliefs either but I feel that there are more loving ways to express that. I never said you excluded them. I was try to say that in your comment you singled them out. I am sure there are other religions that you don’t agree with but they weren’t included, which makes your comment sound more like a judgement. Maybe I should have come right out and said that. Next time I will try to get right to the point of what I want to say.

[Becky]

I agree. You said it much better than I could have.

[Becky]

I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Saying that they deny the spirit of god is also saying that they do not have the spirit of god. That something I completely disagree with. My parents are active witnesses and always speaking of how the Holy Spirit moves them. As far as the watchtower telling them to take prescribed drug, I have now idea. I have not read that one. But my parents, who again are active witnesses, believe in a more holistic way of living. Which means treating your body with natural food v.s. Chemical man made food. I also don’t think you get my point on on your first comment you secluded and group people and I find that very sad. As far as the Holy Spirit those scriptures say exactly what it is, a spirit. To give it any other definition would be to assume and I think most people know what it means to assume something.

[Becky]

Wondering,

I feels bad for you friend and that is an unfortunate thing to happen to her. But all christian denominations have congregations that differ from area to area. That is what happens when man decides to use his own opinion instead of what the bible teaches. I told you earlier that I am not a witness, which I am not, but I was raised as one and have to say that I think in someways you have been miss informed. I grew up with this type of prejudice and judgement. Did jesus really what us to treat people this way? All in the name of religion? That really doesn’t sound like the Jesus in read in the bible. As far as the Holy Spirit, I was taught that it is gods spirit, his active force. I thought this was a place for scriptural discussion, which is way I asked you to show me one. So now I ask you to show me a scripturaly were anyone has the right to judge who does and doesn’t have the Holy Spirit.

[Becky]

Matthew 24:24 says that “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, all shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the every elect. (KJV) Doesn’t that say that others will be able to perform miracles that are not from God. And 1 John 4:1 says “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (KJV) Doesn’t this also say that things could from satan and not God. If you go further in the next chapter it also states that that whoever confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God . JW confess this. Wouldn’t that mean that they are also of God. I Would also like to ask you to show a scripture where the Holy Spirit is a person because you kind of lost me there.

[Becky]

As far as john 1:1 I would suggest looking it up in a linear bible. Both place that the word god comes up are spelled different but translated as god. If they were both the almighty wouldn’t they have the same spelling? Just something to think about.

[Becky]

Wondering,

Through out your entire speech you are very inspiring. It matters not trinitarian or Arian. But then in the end you judge JW by saying they don’t have the spirit or the power of god. Really are you a JW? How would you know? Why are all denominations okay but them? That way of thinking and judging another for their religion foes not remind me of Christ’s teaching. I may not be a JW but find this treatment of a fellow man very upsetting.

[Becky]

I get what you are saying but when you are not excepted how do you get baptized. In every denomination I have been to in order to get baptized you must say that you believe in the trinity.

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