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[andrew]

Hello Patrick,
I was saddened to hear your mis quotes as well as missing important quotes.You talk abut the day of Christ/tribulation/day of wrath/all in the same breath and relate them to John the Revelator. You also quote extensively from 2 Thess 2 vs1-8 as your base.There is so much here that it would take a few studies to disagree. I will start on some and see how far I get.
Rev 1 vs 1 as well as the heading it says The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave Him(Jesus) another topic.He Jesus sent it to John to RECORD Not REVEAL.I know this is nothing to do with your topic.Red Herring on your part.You then continue to remind your audience that there is 1 place in the bible where the word RAPTURE occurs and you were correct it is in 1 Thess 4 vs 17 ‘RAPIEMUR’ meaning to seize/snatch.The problem I face Patrick is why did you not continue in whole text. You see Thessalonians 1 and 2 was written by Paul to remind the church there of what they had been taught by Paul etc. See how many times you find ‘you know’ There had been an influx of false teachers coming into the church in sheeps clothing. Remember Simon Magus(another topic)Paul was trying to keep the congregation on track. They the congregation knew about Christ,s return/the events leading up to it. The information had been passed down by the apostles who had been told back when Jesus was alive. We are blessed today with having the records for us in Math and in Luke,as well as many other places I will try and get to them later.The first point to raise is that Jesus never said He would come twice He and the prophets have always said at the last trump.Back to 1 Thess 4vs 16. Here we have a shout and a trumpet of God Now at that moment in your scenario you say that the church has already been Raptured.End of vs 16 ‘And the dead in Christ rise 1st also look at vs 15 “we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no mean PRECEDE those who are asleep.Does this mean that we rise at some secret moment not mentioned in scripture and the at the last trump quickly scurry back in order not to precede those who are asleep.Patrick I do not want to put you down but Scripture either says it or it does not.You also go on to say that the church will not be around at the time of the Anti Christ.Well Satan(the dragon who comes out of the Pit) will turn on the church, try these verses. Dan 11:31/Dan 7:21,25 and Rev20:4,Rev 13:7 Remember the AntiChrist is revealed half way through the last 7 years. The Anti Christ will be hailed at the beginng of the 7 years as a hero. He will unite the Arabs and Rome (another topic) Half way through he will turn on the Temple and then the church.We the church will not see the wrath of God but we will experience the wrath of Satan. My question is Why die!!!go to heaven(another topic)then be returned to earth in order to fullfil”dead:in Christ rising first at His REturn. Kind of like a YoYo!!!.I urge you to read Math and Luke again and see that we will be here during the tribiulation otherwise why would time shortened for the elects sake.
The :falling away: could mean just that those that hang onto man’s teaching of a pretrib Rapture and not a scriptural teaching will be disappointed when they realize that the AntiChrist is around when they are.I do not fear the tribulation because of 1 Cor 10:13. Remember Christ promised His followers suffering and pain. He did bring it on Satan will. Our hope is in Deliverance at Christs return in the sky for all the world to see and then they will TRemble.
The world’s suffering is only atthe 7th trump and the last vial being opened which is the Wrath of God.
We have Hope in the Knowledge of God’s Truth Not Man’s truth.

[andrew]

Can you reply to my em email address as well as on your blogs, I find them easier to sort.
for blogs you have to remember what you answered to, know what I mean.

[andrew]

Very interesting and plausible take on the subject.However have you considered Daniel;s prophecies in ch 9&10 regarding Michael and Gabriels role in world events.

[andrew]

As mentioned in a previous reply I find this form of communication very inpersonal, however your concern appears to be in knowing what the signs of the end will be. I know from your articles relating to the false teachings about God,Jesus and the Holy Spirit that you have knowledge of scripture.Regarding prophecy and where the Bible says we are and to what to do about our time I refer you to some writings by a man called Dan Nordquist. http://www.prophecyandtruth.com.
I have some difficulty with dreams only because history is full of people who have had visions and dreams. Ellen White/smith to name 2 but I know you understand where I am coming from. I mentioned that my journey has been filled with potholes and I have been diverted many times.I believe that caution becomes 2nd nature.All the answers to our journey are in scripture we just need the right signposts.I want to believe you are one!!!Have you made the choice to be a family man? Many questions.

[andrew]

In reply to my previous comment and having just read your article on which church is the true church I can only come to the conclusion that I am part of the true church and that Jesus will draw me to others or the other way round as He sees fit.
At present it is hard but as Anastas wrote the Church is in us.
It still makes it hard without physical fellowship.

[andrew]

Having read the above with great interest I am about to authenticate the scriptures. My first reaction is you are stating similar arguments that the Jehovah Witnesses use.
Are you connected to their movement in any way.

[andrew]

My reason for not attending is I have difficulty getting excited about Christmas/Trinity/the essential Sunday worship in the main, I am searching for the truth which is only in the Bible not in man,s traditions etc.
Your articles are of great interest

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