I will also pray for you Miia.

Only God knows whom he has chosen and it isn’t for us to decide that.

You will be led to where you will go; follow what the Spirit is telling you and you will know the truth. Our Lord came to us to show us God and acts on behalf of God as God, being given God’s name, becoming our mediator to the one true God, the…[Read more]

Yes it is just like how they will interpret “For the Father and I are one” to mean they are one by substance, instead of merely purpose, but then interpret “that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me,” to be speaking about oneness in…[Read more]

Religion is an outward expression of the faith inside. Of course religion can become corrupt in its scope, becoming more of culture than an expression of faith, but that should not discount all religious activity as useless. We only need to look at baptism, or taking of the body and blood of Christ. Is the submersion in water mean you are reborn?…[Read more]

Wisdom is an attribute and has always existed as God has always existed. For could there ever be a time when God was not wise? Hardly. However, we would be unwise not to see what is written and the similarities.

Corinthians 1:24 christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Brother Paul calls Christ wisdom. Keep that in mind.

Colossians 1:15…[Read more]

Lightenup

Hey! I think we actually agreed on something! Imagine! Haha

Genebalthrop

I have always been curious to know what biblical unitarians thought about hebrews when it says:

God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners,

2 hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the…[Read more]

Nick

Hi A,

Christ means anointed one.

The anointing is by the Spirit of God.

The Word is of the Spirit and thus is eternal.

I am not sure where you stand my friend or what you exactly believe regarding the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If Christ is wisdom which proverbs 8 speaks about it is difficult to say he didnt have a start at some point in…[Read more]

Lightenup

Even if you prefer the word possession, it does not change the fact that “kana” is referring to a possession which was obtained or “got” not something that you always had. That is why so many translations speak about wisdom having a beginning, however, you can continue to view it to say what you want. In the end you are correct, it only…[Read more]

Terrarica

God does not depend on his created things ;

Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “…

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Lightenup

The Bible testifies against that notion when it says that all things were made by the Word of God which is Jesus, the wisdom and power of God which God possessed BEFORE His works of old.

Yes God did possess him before his works of old, for God created all things through Christ. Of course when it says “all” its qualified. Just as when…[Read more]

Does that make you feel better when you belittle those who understand Christ differently than you?

Have you considered this:

Matt 7 2For you will be treated as you treat others.a The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

Perhaps you are new in the Lord, eh?

And no, it is not 1 Peter 1:1.

I wonder why you…[Read more]

@Lightenup

The difference is you have put your faith in the teachings of men who say the Christ is also God, equal with the Father, yet different

I understand you see the Father and Son are different, yet one God.

Even God the Father calls Him “God” and identifies Him as Jehovah

Yes He does but dont gloss over the fact that a couple lines fur…[Read more]

No, t8, Jesus does not have  power “over” the Father, Jesus IS the Power OF the Father…and it is through that power (Jesus) that the Father created the world and saves those men who have made that ‘power’ (Jesus) the Lord of their lives.

Thanks for setting that up for me, btw.

Christ is the power and wisdom of God, brother Paul said likewise. A…[Read more]

Kerwin,

In short I was merely agreeing to what you had said. I wanted to show that if if the word of God describes some as gods, then they are to some capacity. We know there is only one true God so then the word god used to describe some in the bible is an example of different degrees and meanings to the word god

Love stretches as far as there is true repentance. One who is truly ashamed of the evil he did against God and strived to put away his evil ways and become one with Christ will be given grace through love. One who refuses to accept and change his iniquities refuses Gods love, and so God’s love is not with him.

Amen, miia

I think most here would totally agree to what you have said but are rather arguing about the details… whether that is edifying is another matter

Gene,

Is scripture from God? I would assume that you would be like me in believing that it is. If it is and it is written in Psalms 82 “you are gods, and all sons of the Most High” and “the god of this age (devil) has blinded the minds of unbelievers…” then are you saying God was wrong in having these things written as they were? Now I know t…[Read more]

@T8,

As you are probably aware, the oldest manuscripts omit the section you quoted from so I would be hesitant to trust its authority.

“Behold then the goodness and severity of God: upon them who have fallen, severity; upon thee goodness of God, if thou shalt abide in goodness, since otherwise thou also wilt be cut away.” Romans 11:22

I do not…[Read more]

You speak as if there were a difference. Christ is identified as our king and the law of God is just as important in heaven as it is on earth. You say there is no government, but our government is our king and the law our God puts into our hearts. Where do you think brotherly love comes from? God showed us his love in Christ and we imitate that l…[Read more]

T8,

your absolutely right. From the perspective of the world, it is the fairest and safest by far. No other system has brought such prosperity and humanism than democracy. These things are great… if our goal of prosperity is humanistic and material. (If God did not deem homosexuality as wrong, those who champion it would be heroes) But what…[Read more]