Quote (princess @ Jan. 19 2012,02:09)WIT, I have a question, if you were to take a person in who is having a hard time of it, and barter i.e. shelter and food cost are taken care of, in place help with housekeeping, cooking ect ….., without payment. Would you consider this to be a form of slavery.Of course not, there is no force involved, and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2012,22:34)Hi WIT,Remember, I said it wasn't in “the creation account”.The bible account agrees with what Science now knows.The creation account (in the bible) told us about the Earths:1. Earths Rotation. (Genesis 1:4)2. The Earth is round. (Isaiah 40:42)3. The orbit around the sun. (Job 26:7) 4. And even the Earth's axis…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 18 2012,23:06)Do parents treat their children as property?No.Quote Do married people treat each other as property(Limiting their actions physically and financially)No.Quote And even today most employers treat their employees as a sort of property at least when they are on the clockNo, they don't.If something is your…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 18 2012,11:37)I think you presented a well crafted argument and I believe that Mike is losing his argument with you based upon his inability to embrace the facts.God did tell people to go to war and since God does not change there is no reason to believe that somehow He would not want people to fight for a cause that was…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2012,10:46)Hi WIT,Sheol, floodgates, columns of the Earth, abyss, are not mentioned in the creation account, so how can that be accurate?Seems you are the one who has buried their proverbial head in the sand.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI stated quite clearly that the picture represents how…[Read more]

Hey Ed,That picture is not from an atheist website.  It's from an honest catholic priest.  He admits to the flaws in the creation myth rather than burying his head in the sand like you've done.

Mike,So your defense of the bible is that it hasn't asked you, specifically, to do anything bad though it might have asked others?  Really?That's a pretty low standard for a supposedly holy book.In any case, let me ask you this:Do you permit women to speak in your church?  Do you permit them to teach, in any way?  Or, do you, as the bible re…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 18 2012,03:04)I hope that you and Tim listen very carefully here:I personally follow the commands of my God that apply to me, and the teachings of His Son.I don't go to wars.  I don't kill people.  I don't steal.  I don't cheat on my taxes.  I don't covet my neighbors’ possessions.  I don't have affairs at all, let alone…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 18 2012,02:20)WIT, I don't understand all the hows and whys of it.  I believe, and I'm happy with that.  That is certainly evident.As for me, I am concerned about the details which is why I no longer believe the bible.Good luck!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2012,04:34)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 16 2012,16:24)How has the bible uniquely been of practical benefit to humanity in terms of helping human progress in this world?The people who truly believe in and follow God, using the Bible as a guidebook, are the ones who don't join the army, don't go to war, don't kill people,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2012,04:24)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 16 2012,15:59)Are you saying that you now believe the firmament is the entire universe, and that God created it on the second day to “divide the waters” that are on earth from the water at the edge of the universe?Tentatively, YES.Perhaps the planet earth, and the entire area we call…[Read more]

Mike,I also noticed that you ignored my challenge to you.How has the bible uniquely been of practical benefit to humanity in terms of helping human progress in this world?In the whole science vs the bible debate, I've given you a start on the case for science.  What's your case for the bible?  What practical thing that comes uniquely from the b…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 17 2012,03:01)………..you are making an inaccurate statement – at least about me (I don't know what Ed said at this point).But after re-reading the Biblical creation account, I challenged YOU to prove that there is NOT water at the edge of the firmament (universe).If you can't, then you are just blowing smoke, and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2012,03:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Jan. 12 2012,22:06)I can tell you with certainty that the bible's cosmology is wrong.No, you actually can't, WIT.  Or at least you haven't shown me yet….It seems to me that if you can't prove the universe is NOT in a dome, then you can't, with any CERTAINTY, make the claim about the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2012,04:45)Okay, are you now suggesting that plant life from the ocean started to grow onto land?Yes.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13 2012,04:45)WIT, can you tell me with any CERTAINTY that the universe is NOT in a dome or sphere?I can tell you with certainty that the bible's cosmology is wrong.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 13…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2012,04:27)Hi WIT,1) I did NOT say it was a bad translation, what I said was     it was written in the understanding of those it was written to.     As in: they would see the lights in the firmament, which they do!     If you were to look at Earth from space, the firmament has a blue glow.2) Wow, you seem to be expla…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 13 2012,02:27)Come on Ed.When WIT pointed out that the bible was wrong and unreliable you said, “But you have done neither, though you are welcome to keep trying!”When pushed on the firmament issue, Ed played the “It's a bad translation!” card, but when I asked him to give the proper translation, he changed the subject,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 12 2012,06:34)Yes WIT,I understand that you aren't necessarily for evolution, as long as you can be against the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.I am not against the bible.  I am simply pointing out that it is often wrong and unreliable.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 12 2012,06:34)WIT, can you explain to me in laymen's terms how the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,04:43)FOR STU AND WIT:Okay guys, I can see that you are willing to dish it out, but not take it.Here's what I wrote, and you ignored, in my last post to you:Quote But, there is a larger point that you keep missing.  My knowledge and understanding of evolution is cursory and incomplete because it's NOT critical to…[Read more]

Ed J,And now we're done.That has to be the fifth time you've written that same post to me, (about the heavens, the pig, and digestion), and it is all the more ironic given the discussion we just had about the “expanse”.  I have corrected your errors on all three points, but you continue to repeat them.It doesn't make any sense for me to try point…[Read more]