T8,Quote Even if the prophecy was fulfilled in OT times, Matthew still could have pointed to that prophecy not as a fulfillment but a pattern. So that he could have been saying “just as the Lord did then, so he did now”. When Matthew quoted the scripture, did he actually say that it was a fulfillment?Matthew 1:22All this took place to fulfill what…[Read more]

Nick and T8,There is nothing wrong with God revealing something new, or bringing clarity to something old, by events or revelations in the NT.  It is His perogative to operate as He will.  However, in this case, it is the writer of Matthew, (or a subsequent scribe), who makes the OT a pertinent issue.  A prophecy is quoted and then said to be fu…[Read more]

Nick,Good work.  I completely overlooked those verses.  I am not sure how the various colors of the temple curtains apply to the geneology of Yeshua, but it is something to consider.

Nick,If you discount the one OT passage, then the virgin birth is referenced in only two places in the entire NT: in the virgin birth accounts found in Matthew and Luke.  (It is worth noting that these two accounts aren't necessarily conflicting, but they definitely present two completely different sets of facts.)  No one else in the NT ever r…[Read more]

Nick,If Isaiah 7:14 does not refer to a virgin birth, (as the footnote in your bible suggests), then there is no Old Testament prophecy about the Messiah being born of a virgin.  It is the only one of its kind, and the only Old Testament confirmation of Matthews assertion in Matthew 1:22.

Nick,I always thought that Yeshua's body was a symbol for the entire temple.  Where are you referencing that his flesh was symbolic of only the veil?Adam Pastor,I have read the links that you have posted, and I have done my homework.  That's how I was able to come up with my questions.  Given that you have already done your homework, I am as…[Read more]

Nick,I am relatively ignorant in this area as well.  That is why I am asking questions of those of you who seem more assured of your answers.T8,Quote If I do not understand it technically, then do I have the right to preach this truth? Yes I do and I also have the right to rebuke anyone who preaches otherwise or against those scriptures.If you…[Read more]

Quote Mary being a woman, would not have been listed in a Jewish genealogy; she is no exception. Indeed, she is the mother of Christ, no doubt about that. Nevertheless, there is no need to list her in a genealogy, because it was more important to show Christ's right to the throne through Joseph, Christ's legal father.Adam Pastor,You have asserted…[Read more]

Quote The Geneology through Matthew is the Royal line-which is not necessarily always biological.The Biological line is in Luke .Both Mary and Joseph share in that lineage and are children of David.Jesus was legally entitled to sit on the throne of David.Nick,I know what your conclusions are, but where is your proof?  Luke 1:5,36 seem to suggest…[Read more]

T8,Though I agree that the other discussion is more directly applicable to the question I am asking, I do think that it is also relevant to the topic at hand.  After all, part of defining who “Jesus” is requires that we know where he came from.T8 and Nick,Considering how quickly, and forcefully, you rebuked RamblinRose for bringing this question…[Read more]

Adam Pastor, T8, and Nick,Before you brush aside RamblinRose's virgin birth controversy, there is still one issue that you really haven't addressed very squarely.It is clear that the Messiah spoken of throughout scripture was to be the son of David.  That is one of the most prominent prophecies in scripture.  We also know that all Hebrew family l…[Read more]