WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,Quote No Jesus did not raise himself. Surely you agree with this. A quick look through Acts alone finds at least 7 testimonies that Jesus was raised by his Father.eg Acts 2.32, 3.15, 4.10, 5.30, 10.40, 13.30, 17.31.So it is plain Jesus was not promising to raise his own body as that would be contrary to scripture. So what was Jesus saying? He…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,I am not going to quibble with you over the meaning of the Greek word “monogenes”. We obviously disagree. I think that it is clear from the Hebrew passage that the word means “unique”. You think that I have simply taken the verse out of context, and that “monogenes” really means “begotten”, even though there is already another Greek wo…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,OK. Let's look at one more verse:Quote Hebrews 11:”17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;”Now this is an interesting verse, because Abraham actually had TWO sons. Ishmael was born of Hagar, and Isaac was born of Sarah. Yet, the text refers to Ab…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,Quote To me it is plain that the title The Son of God says he is the logos who existed in the beginning with the Father prior to all of creation.You are reading a lot into the title “the Son of God”, especially in light of how the concept of being a son of God is treated in the bible. What you are essentially saying is that ALL other sons…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,Quote Jesus did not use the term often about himself but every time it was used everyone knew what THE Son of God meant. I am sure you agree this term is unique. He is also the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON as shown in Jn1.14, 3.16-18 and 1Jn 4.9.Of course, the phrase “the Son of God” is unique to the Messiah, just as the Messiah is a unique figure in…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,Quote So what is a “son of man”? A human being that we would all recognise. We are used to this terminology in the NT as Jesus often used it about himself to show and emphasise his human ancestry. Likewise the term “Son of God” emphasises his Godly ancestry and it excludes his human origin or it would be “son of God and man” surely.If the…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
T8,Quote Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 11 2004,17:27) Since you trust in “Jesus” and in Yahweh, and you believe neither to be a man, then is it safe to say that you trust in two gods? I trust in God and his son.Yes there are many gods, but for me there is one God the Father and Jesus is my Lord.When you are trusting in His son, are you trusting in a…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,Yes, I believe the figure in Revelations 19:11 is Yeshua. (For the record, given that the book is highly symbolic, I admit to a strong likelihood that I might misunderstand it.) I'm glad that you bring up this scripture, so I can understand your beliefs about “the Logos” better. Here are my questions:What is the Logos? Is it all of God…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,You wrote:Quote Do you believe that the Word of God is written by the Holy Spirit through men?I wrote in my previous post:Quote Ultimately, neither you nor I are trusting in the messengers that God sends us. We are trusting in the message that they bring us, trusting that it is the message of God.You wrote:Quote If you do believe these…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,I agree that the Holy Spirit comes upon us when we are called. However, I am not sure how you are defining our spirits now, so I don't know if I agree with you on that. Could you explain your new definition? (You should probably do it in the “What is Man” discussion, but I wanted to make sure that I responded to you here.)T8,Quote I th…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
T8,Quote To answer this I would first like to say that I do not think this is about Greek versus Hebrew thinking as some here do. Rather I propose that it is Spirit lead thinking as apposed to man-made thinking. So I am neither for nor against either Greek or Hebrew thing. But I am against both if they become the stick that we measure doctrine…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
Nick,OK. So if I understand you correctly, man is just a body. The soul and spirit of a man together are the breath of God.So is it fair to say that we are not really men at all, but are, in actuality, the very breath of God, since at death, we don't really die at all but merely discard the body, and live on as soul and spirit? (i.e. Are we th…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Logos in the forum Scriptural Teachings 19 years, 11 months ago
T8,I have not done much study in this area, (i.e. the nature of the body, soul, and spirit, and its relation to the concept of the Logos), but having read through some of the discussions I do have some logical observations and questions.Quote My first point that I would like to make is that if the Hebrew way of thinking is the measuring stick,…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic The Geneolgy of Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
Nick,Quote So either one must throw out all the scriptures relating to the virgin birth if one was to rejct it as the Isaiah diificulty would not lead to that conclusion I believe. But the question does remain, (as far as the geneology of Yeshua goes), how is Yeshua the legal son of Joseph, and therefore the son of David? Hebrew law does not…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
Nick,Quote Hi WIT,You have not addressed the question I asked about the scriptures and signs and how else they can be interpreted ,esp the one in Genesis?I wrote the following to address all the scriptures you listed.Quote When I think of God-given signs I think of the following:Genesis 9:11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
T8,Quote You know I would change my mind if I was presented with irrefutable proof or even something that was compelling enough to make the original pale in comparision.What is your thinking that differs from mine?I don't have any irrefutable proof for you. I am still searching myself.As to our differences concerning scripture, I don't see how…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
T8,Quote If the doctrine were not true but was inserted into scripture, then 3 scriptures were added in. I haven't heard any evidence anywhere about this.Excellent point. I have no answer to this, as I am still searching to piece together exactly what is going on with the virgin birth doctrine and the virgin birth accounts.Again, I will not…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic Who is this Jesus? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
Nick,If you find that astrology can be perfectly scriptural, then I will not argue your understanding of scripture. However, I disagree with that understanding. In my opinion, God made the sun, moon, and stars as a testament to His glory and power – (as powerful objects under His control in creation) – not as a means for us to try and foretell t…[Read more]
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic The Geneolgy of Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
Nick,My mistake. Thank you for the gentle correction!By the way, I hate to be lazy, but could you tell me where you are referencing that the color blue represents God?
WhatIsTrue replied to the topic The Geneolgy of Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 20 years ago
Nick,There doesn't seem to be a passage that confirms your description of the temple curtains. All the references that I have seen talk about curtains that each contain the colors blue, purple, and scarlet. I do not see anything that suggests that the veil of the temple is purple only. Do you have a specific reference for this?
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