Artizan007,Good to see you again!   I am not sure if too many people on this forum are terribly interested in the question that you raise, as most prefer to “throw out the old in favor of the new”.  However, I personally find your line of questioning very relevant, as I believe that the new testament is supposed to be a continuation of the faith t…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 12 2007,12:48)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 10 2007,09:36)Since the following post did not receive a response in the Trinity thread, given the subject matter, I thought that I would place it here for comment.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 25 2007,05:03)Is 1:18 wrote:Quote Hmmm….so are you saying it would be impossible for the omnipotent,…[Read more]

Martian,To whom are you speaking?

Since the following post did not receive a response in the Trinity thread, given the subject matter, I thought that I would place it here for comment.Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 25 2007,05:03)Is 1:18 wrote:Quote Hmmm….so are you saying it would be impossible for the omnipotent, eternal SUPREME being to divest Himself of the independant usage of…[Read more]

Is 1:18,I am merely pointing out that there is some dispute as to how to translate Zechariah 12:10. I cite John 19:37 as proof that an alternate reading of the text is appropriate. You are free to dispute these claims, (as you have), but they remain as a plausible alternative to your reading of the passage.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 22 2007,16:01)Okay short and sweet this time….In the below passage Zechariah records a quite amazing prophecy:Zechariah 12:10″I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him,…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus,I printed out your post so that I could go through it, and it came out to 11 pages in Microsoft Word!  No wonder it took you so long. In any case, unless you are interested in reading a post the would likely be the equivalent of 22 pages in Microsoft Word, I will limit my response to what I perceive as the highlights of your…[Read more]

Nick and Tim2,Could you possibly find a more appropriate thread for this argument?  It seems a little off topic here.  

WorshippingJesus,I very much appreciate your effort to respond to my original post so completely.  You are the first person to actually do so of the few who have tried.Obviously, I disagree with you, and much of your post.  I could give you some quick off the cuff reasons as to why, but that would be a disservice to both of us.  Instead, I will ta…[Read more]

Tim2 wrote:Quote No,Jesus did not lie.  He expressed the ignorance of his rational soul and mind.  As far as His Godhead is concerned, he knew.Tim So he was not God when he spoke?  

WJ,I certainly can't force you to understand what I am saying, so if you insist on misunderstanding me, that is your prerogative.Quote Again I will answer you, however I get the feeling that no amount of scriptural truth saying Jesus is God and man will change your mind.If you understood my original post, you would realize that this has nothing to…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2007,03:40)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 07 2007,07:21)Nick wrote:Quote Hi WIT,You say”These verses indicate that Jesus was in the flesh. “So you accept that the vessel of the Son of God existed and came in the flesh?Wrong topic.  If you really want to discuss this, meet me in the debate forum with a proper challenge.OK…[Read more]

Tim2 wrote:Quote Hi WIT,Well, since we know Jesus did not become less divine on earth, and His Godhead knew all things, was omniscient, immortal, etc., we know therefore that these verses refer to Jesus in His manhood, which grew and learned.  Tim That sounds like a logical assertion, not a scriptural one.  After all, these verses speak of J…[Read more]

Tim2 wrote:Quote Hi WIT,Thanks for the rebuke.  It's always good to be hit with some good Trinitarian truth.  So I defer to my Trinitarian brethren.  Jesus did not give up His omniscience while on earth.  He knew all things, then as now.I hope everyone on this site joins me in repenting and embracing the truth of the Trinity.TimGroovy.  Back to t…[Read more]

Nick wrote:Quote Hi WIT,You say”These verses indicate that Jesus was in the flesh. “So you accept that the vessel of the Son of God existed and came in the flesh?Wrong topic.  If you really want to discuss this, meet me in the debate forum with a proper challenge.

Tim2,You wrote elsewhere:Quote Hi Not3in1,I'm sorry to say this, but if you deny the Trinity, you are not a brother of Christ.TimI hate to tell you this, but by this standard, you are not a brother of Christ either, as you just confessed a heresy in one of your previous posts.You wrote:Quote In answer to your second set of questions, yes, the…[Read more]

Tim2,I commend you on your attempt to respond to my initial post.  However, your efforts fall short on the first question, and you essentially ignored the vast majority of my second question.  Let's take a look at your responses:You wrote:Quote WIT,1.  Perfect God and perfect man: (a) God: John 1:1, John 1:18, John 5:18, John 20:28, Colossians 2:…[Read more]

WorshippingJesus wrote:Quote Not3in1Do you feel good about calling Yeshua these thing?.Put it this way. If you were there would you say these things to Yeshua?Jesus you are ignorant.Jesus you are powerless.Jesus you lack wisdom.Jesus you need  perfecting.Jesus you cant be God and die.Maybe you could say these things to him. I dont know.But this…[Read more]

WJ wrote:Quote Wow! I see you give great honour to the Lord from heaven.Not to mention faith in an infinitly powerful God who claims there is nothing to hard for him, or there is nothing impossible for him, including taking on the likeness of sinful flesh and being born a man and raising himself from the dead, just to mention a few, that this…[Read more]

T8,Just to be clear, this thread is now more of a discussion thread than a debate thread to me, as it is now 20+ pages, has a random cast of participants, and has gone off topic many times already.  Personally, I would put this thread back in the discussion area.Unfortunately, the other thread in this new section appears to have been forfeited,…[Read more]