Stu,To make my point, I'll take your last post and rephrase it slightly.We have eyes on the front of the head because God knew that stereo vision would give us an enormous advantage.  Consider the awesome design of bottom-dwelling fish that start their development with one eye on each side in the usual fish way, then undergo an extraordinary…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 03 2008,19:22)Quote (Not3in1 @ July 03 2008,05:14)Quote (Stu @ July 01 2008,21:12)Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,02:41)My guess is 23 points to you lineon, you are right!Ecc 11:9 Walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes. Num 15:39 Seek not after your own heart and your own eyes. With god anything is…[Read more]

942767 wrote:Quote Hi WhatIsTrue:Are you saying by the statement “that Christians believe that individuals will be eternally punished” that they believe that individuals will punished forever?  If so, there may be some who teach this, but I believe that the wicked who die in their sins will punished according to their works.  They will be d…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 29 2008,12:24)Hi WhatIsTrueQuote Here's a question for you:Do you think you are a member of a special club that is exempt from exhibiting any form of manners when interacting with strangers?Indeed I have been very rude about the shower of lying charletans that call themselves creation ‘scientists’ and have been quite unp…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 25 2008,06:08)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 25 2008,01:29)Quote (Stu @ April 24 2008,05:43)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 24 2008,10:13)WJ wrote:Quote No actually I believe Jesus came to save to the uttermost, 100%. He left the 99 to go get the one. That’s a 100%.Do you mean to suggest a belief in universal salvation with this s…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 26 2008,04:45)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 23 2008,06:32)Quote (942767 @ April 22 2008,06:29)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 22 2008,08:29)Here's another conundrum with the doctrine of hell:Jesus is said to be the ransom for our sins, (i.e. he took our punishment upon himself so that we could be forgiven).  Yet, according to…[Read more]

WJ wrote:Quote Why, do you think that is impossible for an all-powerful God?No, I do not think such a feat is impossible for an all-powerful God.WJ wrote:Quote So if it is God’s will for everyone to be saved and it is possible for him to save all, don’t you think he will do it? Certainly, if that is his will.WJ wrote:Quote Jesus came to seek and…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 24 2008,05:43)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 24 2008,10:13)WJ wrote:Quote No actually I believe Jesus came to save to the uttermost, 100%. He left the 99 to go get the one. That’s a 100%.Do you mean to suggest a belief in universal salvation with this statement, or are you just saying that Jesus will save 100% of the people he intends…[Read more]

WJ wrote:Quote No actually I believe Jesus came to save to the uttermost, 100%. He left the 99 to go get the one. That’s a 100%.Do you mean to suggest a belief in universal salvation with this statement, or are you just saying that Jesus will save 100% of the people he intends to save.If you mean the latter, that's seems like a smug thing to say t…[Read more]

Quote (seek and you will find @ April 23 2008,05:38)What Is True! Hello, Jesus never sinned, He died for our sins, so we can live. That is why it says that Christ has set us free from death and sin. We now live under His Blood. He died for all of our sins, past, present, and future. Does that give us a license to sin, certainly not. It is our…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 22 2008,06:29)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 22 2008,08:29)Here's another conundrum with the doctrine of hell:Jesus is said to be the ransom for our sins, (i.e. he took our punishment upon himself so that we could be forgiven).  Yet, according to mainstream Christianity, if we “die without Christ”, then we will either be…[Read more]

Here's another conundrum with the doctrine of hell:Jesus is said to be the ransom for our sins, (i.e. he took our punishment upon himself so that we could be forgiven).  Yet, according to mainstream Christianity, if we “die without Christ”, then we will either be sentenced to eternal torment or we will be eternally annihilated.  Jesus did not s…[Read more]

lamontre,Let me simplify my point even further, (based on your response).You say:Quote So you deny that Jesus did only those things he saw his Father doing? All those things were also done in obedience….You speak of it as if Jesus was given a checklist or something?Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one. Joh 10:31  Then the Jews took up stones a…[Read more]

lamontre,Thanks for answering my questions.  Now, I better understand where you are coming from.  I don't think that you understand my point of view, but at the very least, we can have a coherent discussion about your point of view.Your entire view can be summed up by this quote from your last post:Quote Jesus was simply being obedient. He was f…[Read more]

OK lamontre,I can see that this discussion is quickly becoming a lesson in bad communication.  Let's cut through all the smoke screens by simply answering the questions that were asked of us – nothing more nothing less.  I will start by answering the questions in your latest post.Here are your questions:Quote 1.  The “form” of God refers to st…[Read more]

lamontre,Greetings from the “arrogant” OP!  I am glad that you have taken on this challenge.  Unfortunately, you seem to consider vain repetition a substitute for sound exegesis, which reduces this whole exercise to a long-winded, unsubstantiated rebuke.  There are much better Trinitarian responses contained in this thread, and I would suggest th…[Read more]

Tim2 wrote:Quote I'm not an expert on this doctrine, as you can tell, but I do think it is a necessary consequence of His dual nature, which I fail to see how you can deny.Certainly, it's a necessary consequence of the dual nature doctrine, but the whole point of this thread – (see the first post) – is to dispute the idea that the dual nature…[Read more]

Tim2 wrote:Quote First, to WhatisTrue, I believe we see evidence of two wills of Jesus in His journey to the cross.  The will of his human nature is seen in Luke 22:42, “Not My will, but Yours be done.”  I believe the will of His Godhead is seen in John 12:27, “Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this h…[Read more]

Artizan007,As I said, I am still trying to grasp the basics. Personally, I need to do a lot more study in this area.  I only offered the previous post as a potential explanation as to the significance of Yeshua as the Passover lamb.You are right though.  There are a lot of hard questions, without any obvious answers, in this subject area.

Tim2 wrote:Quote Hey WhatisTrue,Thanks for bringing that verse to my attention.  You bring up an excellent point.  I think you are right, that God cannot sin, and that one cannot be human and not have the capacity to sin.  So this leads us to consider that if Jesus, before the resurrection, was both God and man, then He had the capacity to sin, ye…[Read more]