Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2009,02:18)Hi WIT, Understanding theology has nothing to do with our hope.Who mentioned theology?  I am trying to discuss the fundamentals of salvation with you.If salvation is not the source of your hope, then I can understand your reluctance to think very hard about it, but if it is:Quote The price of sin is:A) The…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2009,11:10)Hi WIT, Those who muse and fiddle about in human theories get totally befuddled because the theories are limited by our blindness and utterly incapable of encompassing our God. Abide in the scriptures.1 Peter 3:15: “…always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is…[Read more]

Tim,According to scripture: God.I should clarify, though, that under the OT system, it at least cost the sinner something.  It was still scapegoating, but you had to at least pay for the goat.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2009,11:38)Hi WIT, When did you become lost in the theological maze?I see that you are still incapable of answering direct questions.Go and meditate on 1 Peter 3:15.  You appear to fall very, very short.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2009,06:30)Hi WIT, The penalty was not imprisonment but death.He died for all that we might find life.Who mentioned imprisonment?Nick, try answering the two questions I posed to T8.  That might make your point of view clearer to me.Quote The price of sin is:A) The  experience of deathB) Permanent death (i.e permanent d…[Read more]

Stu,To the extent that Paul hates homosexuality, I would agree he's irrational.  However, it's not clear that he personally hates homosexuality so much as he believes that God hates homosexuality.

Quote (Stu @ May 30 2009,13:11)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 30 2009,14:57)Quote (Stu @ May 30 2009,07:32)How is it just that someone take the place of an imprisoned convict?StuartIt's not just Stu, but it is an analogy for what Jesus did.I don't think that you'll get much of an argument from Christians that what happened to Jesus was an example of…[Read more]

T8 wrote:Quote If you pay your own price, then you die.With what are you raised from the dead?So, if you pay someone else's price, you don't die?Again, if the punishment is the mere experience of death, then Jesus paid it, and so will I. If the punishment is permanent destruction, then it doesn't appear that Jesus paid it. Try answering this…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 30 2009,07:32)How is it just that someone take the place of an imprisoned convict?StuartIt's not just Stu, but it is an analogy for what Jesus did.I don't think that you'll get much of an argument from Christians that what happened to Jesus was an example of justice. But the whole sacrificial system, from Moses to Jesus, was…[Read more]

T8,Quote Sin gives birth to death, so by paying the price for all sin by death, then all sin can be cleansed and he can ransom all death.What exactly is the price? Temporary death, like what Jesus experienced? If so, why is it that my own death isn't enough to pay for my own sins, and then I can subsequently be raised from the dead, like Jesus…[Read more]

Thanks Nick.  That appears to address the secondary issue, but what about the primary issue.Is the purpose of Jesus's death a ransom for sins or not?  If not, what was the purpose of his death?  If so:Quote What punishment awaits someone who is found guilty in God's court?  Did Jesus pay that very same penalty?If not, I contend that he did not pay…[Read more]

Gentleman,Thanks for the “free tuition”.  Unfortunately, this is all starting to get above my head.  I haven't studied biochemistry in more than a decade!  I'll have to add this to my growing list of subjects about which to become more educated.Until then, I will admit to being biased to the idea that the non-living cannot beget the living.  U…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 22 2009,03:51)WhatIsTrueQuote Go back and re-read his (or her) post.  I think that he (or she) is making a more credible point than you are recognizing.  Ignore his (or her) suppositions about God, and consider the scientific question that he (or she) is asking.  If I were to re-word it, I might ask it this way:How does the fi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 07 2009,12:56)Hi WITJust thought I would drop a line to let you know I have not forgotten our conversation.After your last post I had to step back and take a deep breath. One reason is that you have missrepresented me again, so I have questioned whether I should continue this debate. I will explain later.I had…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 21 2009,15:12)Quote Bodhitharta- You forgot to mention, that I am right! Prove any of my claims are false or simply point me to any living organism species that comes about without replication/reproductionGenesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and…[Read more]

This topic is truly silly. How about Isaac Newton, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson to name a few people who were both non-trinitarians and contributed greatly to humanity.This is truly a ridiculous argument. One would have to be completely blind to history, or totally biased, to buy what thethinker is trying to sell in this thread.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2009,06:10)Hi WIT,Even we sin in unknown ways so in what way are we able to judge scripture?1 Thessalonians 5:Quote 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.What part of this scripture do you disagree with?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2009,03:57)Hi WIT, So you are able to judge scripture?Do you have trouble distinguishing between right and wrong?

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2009,02:04)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Mar. 31 2009,12:07)LightenUp,I should point out that I am actually questioning the whole account on a rational basis, but I appreciate that your beliefs actually attempt to work with the passage as written.I am in a skeptical phase of my spiritual journey, so a lot of my latest posts will…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 01 2009,00:39)Hi WIT, Has reason become your ultimate test?If so is that wise?On what basis should I make any judgments as to what is wise?