Paladin wrote:Quote “Morality” has yet to be defined. If by “morality” you mean “righteous acts and pious thoughts,” you get one understanding, but if you mean “law keeping,” You get a different understanding.I was not speaking of morality, but of law keeping.Again, so what is wrong with my statement:Quote In other words, it was an arbitrary rule…[Read more]

Paladin wrote:Quote How is this just another example of “Just old testament stuff?”Because you completely ignored the passage in question.  You have not giving me a specific response to the specific verses that I cited.

Paladin,Hostile?  I think that you are misreading my frustration.  In my opening post I wrote:Quote Regardless of how bad a natural reading of a particular passage may appear, Christians seem to find some way to ignore it, (e.g. “That's just Old Testament stuff!“), or reason it away.In your last post, you wrote:Quote The old testament parables a…[Read more]

Paladin wrote:Quote If you have ever been in school, or high school, or college, did your teachers give you tests to let you see what you needed more help in to learn? Or did they just put  “stumbling blocks” in your way to hold you back and embarrass you?Yes, my teachers typically asked me questions that were actually relevant to my…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 10 2009,03:44)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 08 2009,07:30)Paladin,So the question remains:Was the ingestion of shellfish ever evil?Only to the Jews to whom it was forbidden fruit. Remember, they were a Theocracy, which means their God legislated their laws for them.In other words, it was an arbitrary rule that had no real purpose…[Read more]

Paladin,You wrote:Quote She is not instructed to remain siilent as to teaching her husband, children, and strangers; she is instructed to keep silent in the church.What part of “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” do you not understand? Note that the verse makes an absolute statement, not a…[Read more]

Paladin,Interesting.So, on issue one, you agree wholeheartedly with the scripture as stated, (i.e. women should have no speaking role in “the Church”).Fair enough. I applaud your willingness to say so. I just wonder how many other Christians on this board agree with you, especially the women.On issue two, you went on a tangent about how…[Read more]

Third up:Proverbs 20:30 “Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.“This should be an easy one for you “law and order” types.Do you administer or encourage harsh beatings as a form of correction?  Do you consider the possibility that a man who beats a child, until he or she is visibly wounded, is simply trying to…[Read more]

Paladin,So the question remains:Was the ingestion of shellfish ever evil?

Paladin,Given that you agree with Jodi Lee, maybe you can answer the question that I posed in response to her example.Her example:Quote The word abomination contains variance to it's severity depending on the ACT to which it is described. If I were to say, Sue is a BAD person because she likes to repeatedly bring up peoples faults and talk behind…[Read more]

JodiLee,Yes, but in your example, both things are still bad.  You would not expect someone with consistent standards to one day re-classify either action as good or neutral.  Would you?

Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 05 2009,21:50)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 05 2009,04:32)Quote Estimates of the occurrence of exclusive homosexuality range from >1% to 10% of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians.SourceWhat's your source?I wasn't far off. Even if we go with 10% there is still a whole lot of homosexuals…[Read more]

Paladin wrote:Quote And some laws were simply to see if Israel would obey him.I presume that you would put the dietary laws in this category.  Yes?If so, why would God call shellfish an abomination?  Was that just a bit of hyperbole on his part?Furthermore, if he used the same strong word for the consumption of shellfish as he did for h…[Read more]

Are you talking about these Christians?Quote A survey of U.S. Catholic dioceses conducted by the Associated Press … found that 1,341 clergy members have been accused of molesting children since the 1950s.SourceSeems like Christianity is still changing the world.

Paladin,Your OP does not explain the nuances between the abomination of shellfish and the abomination of homosexuality as described in Leviticus.Furthermore, why would something that is abominable to God at one point now be perfectly fine? Is sin really that arbitrary? Is God a moral relativist?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 05 2009,04:05)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,15:34)OK WorshippingJesus. Your posts continue to be self-contradictory (as far as I can understand them) so let's make this very simple. Which of the following do you believe:A. All homosexuals have an agenda of converting as many heterosexuals as possible into…[Read more]

OK WorshippingJesus.  Your posts continue to be self-contradictory (as far as I can understand them) so let's make this very simple.  Which of the following do you believe:A.  All homosexuals have an agenda of converting as many heterosexuals as possible into homosexuals.B.  Most homosexuals have an agenda of converting as many heterosexuals as…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,20:06)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,07:28)Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) SourceThis isn't rocket science.  If you want to argue that a sexual orientation is bad because it “has victims”, then heterosexuality…[Read more]

Quote Estimates of the occurrence of exclusive homosexuality range from >1% to 10% of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians.SourceWhat's your source?

WorshippingJesus and thinker,If all you are saying is that homosexual predators exist, then I agree (and apologize for misunderstanding you).  However, take a look at the title of this thread, “Have you ever been approached by some one gay?, The truth about their agenda!”  Does that not look like a blanket generalization about homosexuality in g…[Read more]