T8 wrote:Quote Jesus taught that when your enemy slaps your left check, give him your right.In some sense if you didn't like Jesus you could make the argument that he condoned being abused.But I think the point that is suppose to be drawn is that we are not to fight back and give cause to retaliate.Rather by being nice, you can make your enemy…[Read more]

francis,I think the word you are looking for is “advocate”.Deuteronomy 20:11 “…all the people who are found in it shall be placed under tribute to you, and serve you.”There is no choice in the matter.  In the context of the whole passage, the only options are to make all the people your slaves, or to kill the men and make the women and children…[Read more]

kerwin wrote:Quote Slavery is basically an employment contract that the slave can dissolve by successfully rebelling, dying, or by other means depending on the situation.An employment contract?  Are you kidding me? What other contract do you know of where you have to dissolve it by “rebelling” or “dying”?By this standard, you could call prison a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 03 2010,16:45)Tim,I believe you are correct that scripture accepts, perhaps suffers, the existence of slavery but I would go further and point out that it attemts to regulate it to reduce the abuses that occur under it.As I stated earlier I cannot see as slavery itself is so wrong as the abuses of others that seemed to…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 03 2010,11:02)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 03 2010,08:33)francis,Instead of attacking Stu, why don't you address the opening post of this thread?francis just brought some life back to your thread,lets not complain,francis did a good jobDid a good job of what?  Making an off-topic comment that basically boils down to…[Read more]

francis,Instead of attacking Stu, why don't you address the opening post of this thread?

Ed J wrote:Quote If someone owes you moneyand the brother pays you instead,would 'you' not consider the debt paid?This is what's known as “changing the subject”.  I've posed three (possibly four) questions in my opening post.  Try answering one of them before moving on to make your own point.

Stu,Fair enough.  I will only pick a bone with this:Quote The data says that the global climate is warming, so whether it is one theory, or a mixture of theories, if it has predicted continued warming of the average global temperature then it has been shown to be right.That seems like a pretty low standard for a scientific theory.  I could come u…[Read more]

Quote Quote What is all this about “deniers”?  Aside from the unfortunate reference to the Long Range Weather Forecast website, I don't recall making any reference to the work of any “deniers”.  I am simply a skeptic asking questions based on the facts.Was this statement somehow meant to indicate that you were asking whether 0.03% CO2 could have a…[Read more]

What is all this about “deniers”?  Aside from the unfortunate reference to the Long Range Weather Forecast website, I don't recall making any reference to the work of any “deniers”.  I am simply a skeptic asking questions based on the facts.Quote I though mid-C20th global cooling was down to aerosols from our pollution.Is there any data to s…[Read more]

Stu,The historical data shows that temperature can radically reverse course while CO2 levels continue to rise for hundreds of years.  If CO2 drove global temperatures that would not be possible.  Certainly, CO2 absorption of infrared energy has a warming effect, but as a gas that constitutes only 0.03 percent of the total atmosphere, its total e…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 02 2010,04:49)WIT and seekingtruth:The difference is that this time we are raising carbon dioxide levels to heights unprecedented in “recent” history. The right-hand black bulge shows the frequencies of infrared radiation emitted by the surface of earth.  Water vapour acts as a greenhouse gas and blocks much of the frequency…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ May 01 2010,21:19)Let's continue this back in time to 4.55 billion years ago.  The surface temperature of the earth was at least 2000 degC.  Do you think that means we have nothing to worry about?StuartThe point of the video is to put the current warming into context.  In other words, it is NOT beyond recent historical norms.  S…[Read more]

By the way, before I got sidetracked by that 'Long Range Weather' site, this is what I was actually looking for:I had seen it in the past, but couldn't remember where.  In any case, my previous point about the climate being more complicated than represented by the “hockey stick” graph is based on this observed data.  I believe the original s…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 25 2010,05:47)WIT I am sorry to say that I think you are gullible beyond belief.  Have other climatologists rated Cliff highly?  No. The “top ten” rating is asserted on his website only. You believe Cliff's opinion of himself.Here is an experiment you can do:  Google “top climatologist”.  Do you see his name anywhere other tha…[Read more]

Stu,I think that you have an inappropriately high opinion of what you've shown.You wrote:Quote So not being qualified in meteorology, or even in science, does not make you amateur?I quoted from the website:Quote Climatologist Cliff Harris has been often rated as one of the top ten climatologists in the world for nearly 4 decades. … Cliff Harris'…[Read more]

Wow Stu, you're even more close minded than I thought. To each his own, I suppose.

Quote (Stu @ April 22 2010,13:33)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 22 2010,02:12)Quote (Stu @ April 21 2010,16:20)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 21 2010,02:18)David wrote:Quote And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing.I don't think anything about the earth's climate is “stupidly easy”, including…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 21 2010,16:20)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 21 2010,02:18)David wrote:Quote And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing.I don't think anything about the earth's climate is “stupidly easy”, including predicting long term trends.  Check out the source of the above chart.…[Read more]

David wrote:Quote And it should be stupidly easy to check the math on whether the global average temperature is increasing.I don't think anything about the earth's climate is “stupidly easy”, including predicting long term trends.  Check out the source of the above chart.  While these guys agree that man is affecting the earth's climate (…[Read more]