T8,Did you miss the conclusion in my last post to Mike?I said:Quote Ultimately, the point of this thread is to demonstrate that if you start with a false premise, logic serves no useful purpose.  Every true belief starts with solid evidence, not logic or analogies or anything else.What you've done in your last post, (like you do in many posts on…[Read more]

bodhitharta wrote:Quote God didn't answer his prayer for him God answered his prayer for the Israelites to defeat Ammon by your logic Edom gave up his birthright to Jacob by God's design or the people of the flood did so because God “was in control of the situation”Have you not read the bible?Genesis 25:23:Quote And the LORD said to her:      …[Read more]

Ed J,The “big bang” represents a beginning, not necessarily the beginning.

bodhitharta wrote:Quote God did not ask, command or condone what he did, he didn't even understand what he had doneDid you miss the part where God answered his prayer? Command?  No.Condone?  Exactly who was in control of the situation?Yes, this was an “act of God”.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,07:22)It is now for you to tell me why you think matter and energy could have existed forever, but God couldn't have.The evidence that matter and energy has existed forever is exactly the same as the evidence that God has existed forever, (i.e. none).What this really comes down to is the fact that you ALREADY…[Read more]

Actually Bodhitharta, the bible clearly shows God arranging for, and accepting, a human sacrifice.Judges 11:29-31:Quote Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, and passed through Mizpah of Gilead; and from Mizpah of Gilead he advanced toward the people of Ammon. And Jephthah made a vow to the…[Read more]

Quote It is not my fault that you do not understand the concept of infinity. Why can't the universe be “infinite”?

And now we circle back to the point of the original post.Can you describe what the universe was like BEFORE the existence of time?

Why does that “thing” have to be God?

Quote Even in your understanding, something(s) must have ALWAYS existed for other things to have evolved from them, right?Yes, and why is that not possible?

T8,Your ability to miss the point is legendary.Ed,Never mind.As I recall, we have done this dance a few times before, and it never ends up being productive.

Ed,Oh, I get it now.God wrote laws to accomodate man's imperfections so that Jesus could fulfill the imperfect laws and do away with them because they were too hard to follow because they represented God's perfect standard that no man could fulfill on his own.Does that cover it?I never realized that God was in the habit of lowering his standards…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 21 2011,02:07)Tim, when you weed a garden, do you think that the weeds call you evil because you are removing them so other plants can grow.It is not wrong for God to kill after all he will annihilate the wicked/tares among mankind and let the righteous inherit the Earth. It is wrong for us to judge ourselves and take justice into…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 20 2011,15:48)Hi Wit.1. The truth doesn't change, only your perception of truth.     I hope these points answer your questions. If not feel free to ask more; OK?     God has told us what “The Truth” is; when one does not listen, the consequences are our own doing.     (Deuteronomy 24:1-4 vs Matthew 5:31-32)2. No contr…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2011,23:52)Hi WIT,He hath shown thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?  (Micah 6:8)God has shown us what is Good. Why don't you listen to him; “What is True”?The standard is to do unto others as you would have them do unto…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2011,14:35)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Nov. 17 2011,02:37)Hey Ed,Can God “decide” that rape is good?Just curious.Hi WIT,God has told us that rape is wrong, perhaps you were not aware of this? (Deut.22:25-26)God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThat wasn't the question Ed.  You presumably believe that God…[Read more]

Hey Ed,Can God “decide” that rape is good?Just curious.

princess wrote:Quote However it did lead me into something that I have found to be quite interesting Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy, this subject has captured my attention fully.Have you found much matriarchy in the bible?  As far as I know, the abrahamic traditions, (i.e. Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam), are 100% grounded in patriarchy.  I only k…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2011,21:06)Hi Wit,You call distractions and trying to plant doubt an offer to help me?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAs I said already, if you can't understand how my posts are relevant, then it doesn't make sense for me to keep replying to you.

Ed J,As I said in my last post, if you don't understand how I've addressed all the points that you have raised, then I can't really help you any further.Perhaps this will help.  Pay particular attention to the section on the ancient Near East.  Here's a brief quote from it.Quote In early Egyptian and Mesopotamian thought  the world was po…[Read more]