Quote (t8 @ Dec. 16 2011,12:29)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 16 2011,03:20)Are you saying that Moses didn't produce any physical evidence to show that his God existed, (Exodus 4:1-9)?Well it is hardly unlikely that this is eye witness evidence for you.Unless you can strap some neutrinos on the front of your car and consequently travel back in time.No,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,07:51)Please just answer the question, WIT.Do you, or do you not believe that something(s) existed from eternity?I have no firm evidence for either possibility.

Mike,If you are about to try to explain to me how your view is obvious and makes the most sense, please re-read what you just quoted from me.Quote You may think that it's “obvious” that God created everything, but you are committing the same mistake as your geocentric ancestors.Physical evidence is not a series of logical deductions.  In fact, in…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2011,23:42)wityou do not understand what is going on here right ?first Jepthah made a pledge,God has nothing to do with it ,and God probably made it that it is his daugther that would be the first out ,from now on it was the words of Jepthah that would become either his blessing or his downfall,just remember we all be…[Read more]

Ed J wrote:Quote The Earth doesn't move from it's orbit.And since the Earth is spinning,we see the sun go around.No problem there!Nice spin.  The “unmovable foundation” of the earth is earth's orbit?  You are really stretching it.terraricca wrote:Quote are you taking God for a little monkey at your convenienceNo, I am taking the bible l…[Read more]

Ed J,The first two verses, (Chronicles 16:30 and Psalm 104:5), say that the earth does not move. It does.The last verse, (Ecclesiastes 1:5), says that the sun moves relative to earth. It doesn't.Both falsehoods are the result of a geocentric worldview.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 15 2011,17:33)By the way it doesn't matter if something can come from nothing or not because something can only be considered something when it is observed or something else is aware of it existing. A person who believes in God doesn't believe in God because God exists they believe in God because they themself exist.…[Read more]

T8 wrote:Quote You want finite physical evidence for a infinite spirit God?No wonder you are not getting it.The only proof you get physically speaking is the design in the universe itself and the fact that life exists. That is evidence of an intelligent designer. Are you saying that Moses didn't produce any physical evidence to show that his God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2011,04:07)I wonder what PHYSICAL evidence Einstein showed for his theory of space-time.  Perhaps he whipped out some photos of space-time bending?Einstien's theory is all about physical evidence.  It's about characterizing the observations of how matter and energy behave in a consistent set of laws.  To the extent th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2011,04:43)I can't speak to Jepthah's sacrifice of his daughter.I can't move beyond this first sentence.Do you really have no comment on whether or not sacrificing virgins to God is an acceptable practice?If not, I can think of only one thing to say:Quote Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad…[Read more]

bodhitharta,So, as I originally said:Quote Why didn't you just start by saying that you don't believe what the bible says?  It could have saved us both some time.If your point is that the bible is full of falsehoods, then I can certainly agree to that.

T8,And for the FOURTH (and final) time, I ask:Why won't you simply provide some physical evidence for god, so that we can properly consider it in your logical construct?Why do you keep running away from what should be a very trivial task for someone who claims to experience God regularly?

T8 wrote:Quote Dazzle us with brilliance on proofs or logic regarding point 2 or baffle us with bull by making out that a model that covers all bases is flawed.You are putting on quite a tap dancing show.  I already pointed out that your scenario leaves out other potential options.I wrote:Quote What you've done in your last post, (like you do in…[Read more]

bodhitharta wrote:Quote The truth is Jacob is calling himself a servant of Esau, am I right or not?Are you serious?  Do you really think that the bible depicts Jacob as the servant of Esau?(For the record, that quote from Jacob is in the context of Jacob being concerned that Esau has come to kill him, so he is trying to suck up to Esau.  He even t…[Read more]

bodhitharta,Why didn't you just start by saying that you don't believe what the bible says? It could have saved us both some time.

Mike,Do you realize that you just confirmed that human sacrifices were acceptable to your god, and that Jepthah's sacrifice of his virgin daughter was righteous under the law?Does all of this seem reasonable to you?

Mike wrote:Quote I consider the Bible to BE “solid evidence”.Do you consider the Quran to be evidence? If not, how is the bible different from the Quran?

T8,Let me see if I can use your own analogy to explain my point.In terms of the death of JFK, I am not asking who killed JFK.  I am asking what killed JFK.  The three analogous options would be:1) A man2) An alien from outer space3) NothingNow before you even begin to go through the chain of logic to determine what killed JFK, you need to first e…[Read more]

T8 wrote:Quote Wrong topic WIT.This is about a creator.Actually, I created this thread, so I am pretty sure that I know what the topic is.As I wrote:Quote Ultimately, the point of this thread is to demonstrate that if you start with a false premise, logic serves no useful purpose.  Every true belief starts with solid evidence, not logic or…[Read more]

bodhitharta,As for Esau:Romans 9:10-13:Quote And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her,  “The older shall se…[Read more]