Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,13:25)Hi TC, Good stuff. So God was in Christ Jesus.Now is the God who was in Jesus the trinity god you have espoused? Does that not make four?Nick,You just twist everything. God being in Jesus does not mean I am saying that there are four persons. I agree that the Father was in The Son reconciling the world to…[Read more]

Irene said:Quote No that is false there is no trinity. Because by Jesus own words He said in John 14:28  ….My Father is greater then I….Ephesians 4:6 One Father of all and who is above all.Deut. 4:35 ' Unto thee it is shewed, that thou mightiest know that the LORD He is God:  there is none other God besides Him.  Meaning that He is the Al…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2009,16:21)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 05 2009,09:07)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,12:53)Hi TC,Why are men so important? We are looking at the undeserved mercy of God. Would you prefer the immortal God was to die? Jesus had to be a man to die on behalf of men.He chose death for our sin trusting in his God.…[Read more]

Nick,Then we agree on something, except that God was ONLY in Jesus. I believe God was in Jesus AND that Jesus was God at the same time. You do not see this as possible because a man cannot do this. You forget this is GOD we are talking about.TC27

WorshippingJesus said:Quote My Father is working until now, and I too am working.” What is the significance of Jesus’ claim? A preliminary understanding can be obtained from John 5:18, noting the Jewish authorities’ response and the author’s comment. They sought to kill Jesus, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was also calling…[Read more]

Quote (Cindy @ July 04 2009,12:58)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 05 2009,08:46)Somebody tell me. What good is the death of Jesus if he was only a man? How can merely a man pay for all the sin that needed forgiveness, especially if he was forced to by God? Doesn't God coming to this earth and willingly sacrificing himself seem to be a better…[Read more]

Nick, You also seem to forget that trinitarians do not deny that Jesus was fully man as well as fully God.TC27

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 04 2009,12:53)Hi TC,Why are men so important? We are looking at the undeserved mercy of God. Would you prefer the immortal God was to die? Jesus had to be a man to die on behalf of men.He chose death for our sin trusting in his God. The scapegoat died for men. He was the sacrifice unto God and not also the God to whom he…[Read more]

CountryBoy said:Quote Why does “Son of God” seem to you like an inferior title? Since God never procreated with any human, we must come to the conclusion that the Father's Son is related to Him in a spiritual sense. The Son in infinite, just as the Father is, and since the Trinity is made up of three persons, it's perfectly natural for Jesus to…[Read more]

Somebody tell me. What good is the death of Jesus if he was only a man? How can merely a man pay for all the sin that needed forgiveness, especially if he was forced to by God? Doesn't God coming to this earth and willingly sacrificing himself seem to be a better sacrifice than an obedient man? I sure believe so. God's love is that…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2009,16:53)Hi BD, They must believe in a god with parts and one part is mortal. Of course our God is one and immortal.Their god is a strange god.Nick,How dare you lower case the “G” in our God? Jesus was not mortal. The BODY was mortal, and even that was resurrected. So, to say that we believe in a god with a mortal…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2009,15:50)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 04 2009,06:37)Bodhitharta said:Quote All the believers are one with God but that doesn't make us God, does it?When I say that me and my wife are one it doesn't mean we are the same does it? It just means we have unity of purpose. Bod,It is possible for a husband and a…[Read more]

Thinker said:Quote You are absolutely correct. Anti-trinitarians limit God. But God said , “I shall become what I shall become” (Exodus 3:14). He said this to Moses while manifested as a bush with a fire in its midst. If God can manifest Himself as a bush with a fire in its midst then He can become a man. See the Hebrew-English Interlinear link…[Read more]

Quote (Country boy @ July 03 2009,15:48)reading the last few pages of this thread, I see a lot of unanswered questions. Antitrinitarians need to answer these questions in order to logically continue the debate. TC's posts in general have been answered by questions, not logical answers.And while you're at it, please explain to me how Jesus did not…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 03 2009,10:49)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 04 2009,06:37)Bodhitharta said:Quote All the believers are one with God but that doesn't make us God, does it?When I say that me and my wife are one it doesn't mean we are the same does it? It just means we have unity of purpose. Bod,It is possible for a husband and a wife to…[Read more]

Bodhitharta said:Quote All the believers are one with God but that doesn't make us God, does it?When I say that me and my wife are one it doesn't mean we are the same does it? It just means we have unity of purpose. Bod,It is possible for a husband and a wife to be one as you say in unity of purpose. But you fail to see that one has MANY meanings.…[Read more]

Bodhitharta said:Quote You misunderstand the scriptures.The scriptures say the Word “became” flesh which would mean the word of God was put in flesh that would not mean that the flesh it was put in was God because God is a spirit.Jesus was the vessel for the Word of God to come to. The word of God is not Jesus.Flesh and blood cannot inherit the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ July 03 2009,08:04)TC27…….. 1 Cor 15 sure does not show Jesus had equality with GOD and even Jesus Said that GOD was greater then Him. You have bought into the Lie that Jesus is a GOD and above all objects of worship, as 2Ths 2 says. ONE thing for sure, if GOD deludes a person to believe something they certainly will believe it,…[Read more]

Gene,By the way Paul and David were murderers. Why don't you throw their teachings out the window too?TC27

Quote (Gene @ July 03 2009,06:31)TC27……….Show us one scripture where Jesus said you cant find (ANY) but we can find where He said “FOR (THOU) ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD.  What part of that you don't understand and believe. If Jesus said someone else is the (ONLY) True GOD , why can you believe it, Is it because you have been so indoctrinated…[Read more]