Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2009,11:47)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ July 01 2009,07:34)Nick and bod,What about Genesis 1:26 where it says:”And God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…'”Why would God say that if he was not more than one person? He certainly was not referring to anything else when he said “us” or “our”…[Read more]

Nick,Jesus never needed to be given authority to forgive sins. It was already his. However, the disciples had to be given permission by Jesus in order to do so. Now do you see the difference? Also you did not answer my other point about the Holy Spirit. You keep evading me. TC27

Nick,To say that this is the only verse I base my beliefs upon is an insult to me seeing as I have given more verses to support my point than you have to support yours. You need to tell me HOW I misinterpret this verse or I cannot accept that you give me a valid argument.TC27

Nick,Nope, but could someone who wasn't God give permission to others to forgive sins?Also, if you notice in that chapter in verse 22 it says:”And when he had said this, he breathed into them and said unto them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit.'”If Jesus was not God where did he get the Holy Spirit. So are you trying to say that God AND the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

Nick and bod,What about Genesis 1:26 where it says:”And God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…'”Why would God say that if he was not more than one person? He certainly was not referring to anything else when he said “us” or “our” because we were not made in the image of angels, and this is creation, so it isn't like there…[Read more]

Nick,Here is your problem, you cannot see the fact that Jesus forgave sins as a sign of him being God. Only God had the right to do such things and you know it. So if Jesus had the authority to forgive sins he HAD to be God because only God had that authority.TC27

Quote (Gene @ June 30 2009,08:11)TC 27………..The wages of sin is death, GOD never sinned and He never died either, If GOD were to die all life would cease to exist. “For He upholds (ALL things) by the power of HIS might”. No my friend GOD never died. No where in scripture does it say He did die. It is amazing how man want to think GOD is like…[Read more]

Quote (Christian Biker @ June 30 2009,07:56)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2009,10:56)Hi CB, You quote scripture as if it is the ultimate truth yet preach a trinity not taught anywhere in it??Is that consistent?Hi NickMicah 2:7O thou that art named the house of Jacob, is the spirit of the LORD straitened? are these his doings? do not my words do…[Read more]

Everyone,The word trinity is man-made, yes. However that does not mean that the doctrine behind it is false. Just because you cannot find the word “trinity” in the Bible does not mean that it does not exist.TC27

Nick, What good is the death of Jesus if all he was was a man and a vessel? If it was not God willingly sacrificing himself to pay for the sins of his people, then what good was his death? All he was then was a good man who was forced to do a good work. You diminish Jesus.TC27

Bodhitharta said:Quote Christ must offend you as well because he never believed in a trinity. In all his teachings never once did he say anyone or anything else was God except his Father, but I guess many know more about Christ than Christ himself, right?When I said you offended me it was not because you are not a trinitarian. It was because you…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,14:01)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ June 30 2009,09:38)I already admitted that the word trinity is not is the Bible. However, you cannot show me a verse either that says the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. So you are basing your beliefs off of interpretation too. So I do not want…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,14:27)Hi TC, So God became nothing? Not my God.Nick,Yes. That is what I am saying. However, the fact that He chose to become nothing and take on human likeness proves his humility and his love. Therefore he is greatest in the kingdom of heaven and on earth and therefore deserves all worship and praise.TC27

I already admitted that the word trinity is not is the Bible. However, you cannot show me a verse either that says the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are not parts of one God. So you are basing your beliefs off of interpretation too. So I do not want to hear that I should not interpret or use logic because you guys use it too.Another point:…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2009,13:09)Quote (TrinitarianCalvinist27 @ June 30 2009,07:49)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,11:37)Hi TC, We do not design our God according to logic applied to scripture.Nick,Everything you have said so far is based upon your logic. I have not seen any solid Scripture from you that supports your point. What you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,12:09)Hi TC, Such logic applied to scripture has led to all sorts of follies such as trinity and Mary being said to be the mother of God.Scripture interprets itself without your help or the addition of logic.Nick,Again, you fail to give me solid Scripture. You keep avoiding my points with irrelevant statements…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,11:01)Hi TT, Read 1Cor 8″ There are many lords…”One is Lord of Lords but he has a God.Nick,You misinterpret 1 Corinthians 8. When it says that there are many lords it is referring to the fact that many people on this earth have idols that become lords in our lives. However the passage goes on to say that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,11:37)Hi TC, We do not design our God according to logic applied to scripture.Nick,Everything you have said so far is based upon your logic. I have not seen any solid Scripture from you that supports your point. What you have said is not an answer. One who is truly less than God does not have the choice to be less…[Read more]

Nick,If you read Philippians chapter 2 verses 5-10 it says:”Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himaelf nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2009,09:45)Hi TC, God was in Christ. He sent his prophets but they were not listened to or honored but killed. So the vineyard owner sent his Son but the rebels even dared to kill him. But that did not somehow make the Son also the vineyard owner who sent him.Nick,You keep on saying that God was in Christ. Well guess…[Read more]