Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 07 2007,06:08)I agree with that, but which does that source say is considered the older “tradition”? My studies indicate that the Septuagint tradition is considered older. Meaning the Masoretic is younger. Meaning an altered text variant from the septuagint tradition. What you are likely referring to is that the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 07 2007,18:22)Quote David,What makes anyone fall away from the faith? faith.What causes lack of faith? Doubt, deception, a thing called worldly wisdom, and pride. These favorite tools of the enemy are quite handy for getting the job done in people who are weak in body and/or in spirit (lately I am counted among…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2007,19:51)Hi Towshab:The everlasting sanctuary is the Body of Christ. His Body is the Holy Temple of God.Quote Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 07 2007,21:16)I would like to add that the Ten Commandments are part of The Torah. Yes ACC they are, but only part and not all.

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2007,19:02)Hi Towshab:You can accuse Jesus of sin all that you want, but since God has declared him not Guilty. You'll have take up that issue with him.Quote 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 07 2007,19:39)Why would you honestly accuse Jesus of sin it doesn't make any sense. God did declare him not guilty.You are using a circular argument. You are trying to prove New Testament with New Testament. Jesus said nothing would pass from the Torah until heaven and earth passed away. Yet he did things that violated…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 07 2007,20:54)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 08 2007,13:38)Let me ask you, do you believe in what Joseph Smith and Mohammed wrote, or what was wrote about them? If not, why?Where is it written in the Old Testament that there would be no more books, prophecies, or words inspired by God?No where but I think some support that the age of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 07 2007,18:16)Quote QuoteThey had made a covenant with Jehovah. A covenant is an agreement. The terms of the Law covenant were that if the Israelites kept the covenant they would be a people for the name of Jehovah, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, with His blessing (Ex 19:5, 6; De 28:1-14)The book of Judges testifies…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 07 2007,18:09)Quote Back then, as today, the Messiah is a big deal. Quote Only among Christians.So what changed with the Jewish view then? were they wrong for thousands of years?What exactly is your view of the messiah? What has the view been of the Messiah among Jews for thousands of years? And why the change?Any time the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 07 2007,18:05)Quote Since the gospels were written after 70 AD this is a bogus assumption.I'm really not clear why you keep making this assertion. John's account was written much after 70 C.E.The rest, well before. None of the gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 CE This is significant because Jesus had…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 07 2007,08:13)Towshab,What if your rejection of the Christian Faith is partly based off of your adherence to the masoretic traditon?Nope I could find the same lack of fulfilled prophecies using the LXX. It matters little.Quote The Septuagint was the first translation made of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek. It was…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2007,17:11)Hi Towshab:Where is it written that this is to be the third temple?Actually, I had read this before, but I had not read it closely.First of all, this vision for the temple was given to Ezekiel for a temple that was to be built after the Babylonian Captivity.Quote Ezekiel 40:1א בְּעֶשְׂרִים וְחָמֵשׁ שָׁנָה…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 07 2007,17:39)Quote Most scholars agree that the earliest date for the gospels was 70 AD. I just find it interesting that towshab instead of using the more familiar more used 70 C.E. (Common Era) he uses 70 AD (anno domino–Latin for: In the year of the lord)Habit ?

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,16:23)The Encyclopaedia Judaica says: “The Jews of the Roman period believed would be raised up by God to break the yoke of the heathen and to reign over a restored kingdom of Israel.” (Jerusalem, 1971, Vol. 11, col. 1407) They wanted liberation from the yoke of Rome. Jewish history testifies that on the basis of the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,15:25)The Bible writer Matthew wrote:“And Jesus, on coming into Peter’s house, saw his mother-in-law lying down and sick with fever.” (Matthew 8:14) Matthew here provided an interesting but nonessential detail: Peter was married. This minor fact is supported by Paul, who wrote: “Have I no right to take a Christi…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,15:10)Towshab also often makes the argument that this is all fantasy, that it's all made up, the gospels. It's a made up story, of events that just didn't happen.Back then, as today, the Messiah is a big deal. Only among Christians. But even that is fading. Jesus' promise of 'coming quickly' is starting to look like a…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 06 2007,17:06)One thing that is for sure, though, God is not done with the Jewish People. God has always called them His People. In the Book of Romans it explains it, that they will be drafted in again. When, in the Millenium. We had gone through a Bible study on Romans with a study group and if you ever find an opportunity…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,15:00)The historical evidence found in the Gospels demonstrates that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. Persons in the first century, who were in position to question the witnesses and examine the evidence, accepted the historical information as authentic. For example, on the matter of geneology, as was stated above: The…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,14:39)Towshab, I'm curious, just to know what you make of the serpent that deceived Eve.Of course you know what I believe regarding this. But being that you don't believe Satan is a personal being (but rather that word (opposer/resister) simply meant different ones) I'm wondering how you understand the Genesis…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 06 2007,14:31)GENEALOGY OF JESUS CHRISTIn the first chapter of Matthew we find the genealogy of Jesus running from Abraham forward. At Luke chapter 3 is a genealogy back to “Adam, son of God.” Jesus’ genealogy is the only one given in the Christian Greek Scriptures. That's because they were trying to connect Jsus with David to &#039…[Read more]