Pulled from the Pre-existence thread++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 08 2007,17:23)TowShab……> It says in the new Testemant (no offence intended), that God so loved the world that He Gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes on Him should not parish. Lets conceder this for a moment, lets look at it…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2007,18:51)Quote If you or someone else opens a new thread (or threads) to speak about some of what I have presented just request that I do not participate in them and I will respect that request.–towshab.Thankyou. This is…nice of you.David,I am not a evil satan man so don't act so surprised . There are many people the…[Read more]

As said before I do not deny the historical Jesus. I just deny the pagan god-man Jesus who was supposed to be the Jewish Messiah yet failed to fulfill a single messianic prophecy.

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2007,17:52)Quote So Gamaliel existed according to Talmud and your bible while only your bible says Jesus existed. Seems Gamaliel has more proof of existence.–towshabOf course, he is wrong again. He is mentioned in the Tulmud in a handful of places.http://www.watch.pair.com/HRChrist.html(Are people actually falling for this…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 14 2007,12:00)Tow,Whether you are sent by evil to deceive us, or sent by good to teach us, it is really not for me to say (like I have been). For this I apologize. The reason I am being so forthright now is because I realize that I was in error. Yes, it is true that God warned me concerning your message. But perhaps the…[Read more]

Quote (BrutusBox @ Nov. 14 2007,14:06)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 15 2007,03:22)Quote (BrutusBox @ Nov. 14 2007,10:03)a question i have is, how do you decide which laws to follow and which ones to disregard. this is question i have posed to legalistic christians, but i am interested to hear what your opinion is, Towshab. For instance do you shave your…[Read more]

For all of you John lovers and people who want to believe that Jesus had an eternal existence, here's a favorite:Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.Really? Just Jesus the 'son of man'? And how can he have been in heaven while he said this on earth?Heb 11:5 By…[Read more]

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 14 2007,11:43)I am confused. Who is this Gamaliel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel

Christianity claims that Jesus was to be like Moses. Lets check that out.(1) Moses was a Levite, Jesus was not.(2) Moses led G-d's people out of the bondage of another nation, Jesus did not.(3) Moses was a lawgiver, Jesus was not.(4) Moses spoke with YHVH, Jesus only spoke with 'Satan'.(5) Moses was accepted by his people as a prophet, Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2007,21:36)If you do not believe in Jesus because you feel there is a lack of evidence he existed, I challenge you to prove that Rabbi Gamaliel (Gamaliel the Elder) was a real person.There is a reference in Acts 5:34; 22:3. According to Jewish tradition, he was the first president of the Great Sanhedrin of Jerusalem.He…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 14 2007,11:24)Tow,By the time He returns to proove it to those left over, it will be too late. There is only one way and that is by belief, just like Abraham.If I told you I had a blue marble in my hand you could say I was tricking you. My daughter would giggle because she knows me and that I am not a prankster, but a very…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 14 2007,11:19)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 14 2007,12:28)Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 13 2007,11:06)Tow said,”Haha, no. Jesus is not 'Jehovah'. If you call on Jesus you are calling on a man, Jesus. Not G-d.”Tow,I don't read much of your garbage, but this caught my attention. And yes, Y'shua means the Salvation of Yah in Hebrew. He came in…[Read more]

Any have an explanation of this verse?Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:This verse goes hand in hand with this oneAct 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of…[Read more]

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Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 14 2007,07:44)I also ask that Stu and Towshab stop now. I'm in agreement in the name of Jesus Christ.Just curious but why do you want me to stop?

Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 14 2007,07:15)I have a question. What is the big deal in excepting the entire Holy Bible, Old and New Testaments as 100% truth from God?Because the New Testament does not agree with the Tanakh ('old testament'). It says the Torah has been abolished while the Tanakh says G-d's Torah is everlasting. Can both be true?

Quote (BrutusBox @ Nov. 14 2007,09:44)Matthew 5:21 & 5:27-28 21″You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brotherwill be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the…[Read more]

Quote (BrutusBox @ Nov. 14 2007,10:03)a question i have is, how do you decide which laws to follow and which ones to disregard. this is question i have posed to legalistic christians, but i am interested to hear what your opinion is, Towshab. For instance do you shave your face, if you are female then i must apologize for assuming you are a man.…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 14 2007,06:01)People does that give anybody a right to give Christian a hard time, I do not think so. Stop answering Him. In the Name of Jesus I will ask stop. One more thing remmeber what time we are in. Are ytou a Christian or not?Peace and Love Mrs.How am I giving anybody a hard time? By showing them the truth of the…[Read more]

I am not a Christian. I think that is obvious. Why would the name of Jesus have any bearing on me?