Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2007,00:37)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 29 2007,12:32)Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2007,18:41)Quote A foal, more specifically a colt, would not be classified as a 'full grown animal'. A colt is a male foal and is one year or younger. The NWT translators should have stuck to Greek only.If you're saying that the expression a “full grown…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2007,01:07)The above is quoted from the Judaica Press (which apparently, Jews can trust.)To me, it seems that Jewish people will say just about anything about the above to save themselves from admitting that it applies to the Christ. It's Israel, it's some rabbi, it's all an alegory, or whatever. But the obvious is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2007,01:13)Since the geneological records were destroyed in 70 C.E. (and no one has been able to show me any geneological records) it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else who came after 70 C.E. to claim to be the Messiah.It's foolish to say that the geneology isn't important, because all through the Bible, that thread runs, all…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2007,20:26)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 29 2007,12:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2007,19:45)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 29 2007,12:18)Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2007,18:34)Quote And why did Jesus not sit on both animals? Even your NWT says he did: 'and he seated himself upon them' (Mat 21:7b).Again, my calling this argument…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2007,19:45)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 29 2007,12:18)Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2007,18:34)Quote And why did Jesus not sit on both animals? Even your NWT says he did: 'and he seated himself upon them' (Mat 21:7b).Again, my calling this argument “pathetic” stands.For the verse in full:And they brought the ass and its colt,…[Read more]

Also from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DonkeyA male donkey or ass is called a jack, a female a jenny, or less correctly, a jennet, and offspring less than one year old, a foal (male: colt, female filly).

Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2007,18:41)Quote A foal, more specifically a colt, would not be classified as a 'full grown animal'. A colt is a male foal and is one year or younger. The NWT translators should have stuck to Greek only.If you're saying that the expression a “full grown colt” makes no sense to you, I suggest you google it and find that it…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2007,18:34)Quote And why did Jesus not sit on both animals? Even your NWT says he did: 'and he seated himself upon them' (Mat 21:7b).Again, my calling this argument “pathetic” stands.For the verse in full:And they brought the ass and its colt, and they put upon these THEIR OUTER GARMENTS, and he seated himself upon them. And…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2007,01:43)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,19:26)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 26 2007,20:48)Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,13:25)Quote Ah, the ‘Suffering Servant’. Israel (Jacob), not Jesus. –Oct 30, towSo you do believe that this is referring to Israel.But notice what I said to you before:Quote But does this exp…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,23:09)And then, connected to all this in Is 53 about ending transgression, we have the statment in Daniel which is definitely about “messiah the leader” which says: “There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, Again, this helps m…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,22:53)Quote No. What particular verse or phrase would lead to such an erroneous conclusion?I guess you can ask the people who made the encyclopdia judaica.“By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, will bring a righteous standing to many people;”–verse 11“If you will set his soul as a guilt offering,” –v…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,23:04)Quote n the case of Matthew 21, a colt AND an ass. Yikes. Jesus should have been in cirque de soleil for his acrobatics.This is pathetic.. Mark (11:7), Luke (19:35), and John (12:14, 15) indicate that Jesus rode upon a colt or a young ass, but they make no mention of the presence of an older ass. Yet Matthew…[Read more]

Taken from the 3 days 3 nights thread+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Gee if that is really you in your avatar I almost feel bad refuting your words because you are very attractive. But I cannot allow that to waylay me!Quote (seeking the truth @ Nov. 27 2007,21:31)Glad to hear from you Mrs. what we believe only came from Yaweh, because it…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,21:37)Quote Is 52-53 is not messianic, its about Israel. You can make a case all day and if I feel like it I will show where you are wrong.do you disagree with this statement:“The real Israel is sinful and the Servant , free of sin.”I'm not asking you if you if you care where the statement is from. Do you agree?No. Wha…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,21:47)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,11:57)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,17:17)Quote (david @ Nov. 22 2007,10:29)towshab, I'm wondering where I can find the geneological records that can be traced back to david? Are there any websites that you know of that have these?Also, wondering about this.Not at the moment. I've…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:56)Quote I never wanted to consider it in the first place. I know you don't “want” to consider it because it is detramental to your beliefs, but you did say that I presented a case for a suffering messiah.Don't flatter yourself. I don't want to consider it because it is a waste of time. Is 52-53 is not messianic, its…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:54)Quote What am I supposed to run out and buy those books? Please list more than page references from some obscure books.The encyclopedia judaica isn't really that obscure.Regardless, I won't be purchasing a copy any time soon. I see my local library has a copy so if I should have the free time i will stop by and…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:53)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,18:52)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,20:21)I'm not trying to make a case for the resurrected Messiah yet. I'm trying to get you, who has a very Jewish mentality on this that the Messiah would have to suffer.Also, here you said I made a case for a suffering messiah. But it's based…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:49)Quote DavidGood points.I didnt realize he has now backed out of the Messiah being a suffering Messiah.He has never believed the Messiah was a suffering messiah. What it seemed to me he was backing out of was the possibility that the servant in Is 53 was the Messiah.He specifically said that I made a case for a…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2007,19:45)Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 27 2007,18:59)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2007,20:25)Quote Ah, the ‘Suffering Servant’. Israel (Jacob), not Jesus. –Oct 30, towSo you do believe that this is referring to Israel.But notice what I said to you before:Quote But does this explanation stand up to close scrutiny? It is true that in som…[Read more]