Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 19 2007,15:38)Quote Can you show me where such love was expressed historically? There are a few examples, but those typically accompany a desire to convert the ones who are extended kindness. Thus the motive is not pure.Why should I have to go outside of the GT to history. The point is the GT does not teach killing…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,15:27)Hi Tow, Indeed Christ was our passover lamb and we are safe by his blood. He was also the lamb sacrificed for the sins of the world.You cannot accept this as you have no faith in the Son.Son, not daughter. The lamb sacrificed for sins is to be female. Another strike against Jesus. Quote But why would a true…[Read more]

G-d has no biological sons. He has adopted sons. His firstborn is Israel. All humans are sons and daughters of Adam, which in Hebrew means 'man'.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,14:29)Hi Tow, Christ, the priest of God, was from the line of Melchizedek.God appoints priests as He wishes and we do not dictate His will.No, you are right. HE dictates His will. And Psalm 110:4 does not say that the King Messiah will be in the line of Melchizedek, because (a) according to your GT he has no…[Read more]

Ah, so if Jesus was merely the passover lamb, then you must stop claiming that his blood atones for sins. The first paschal lamb did not atone for sins, it protected the Jews as YHVH passed over. From that point on, the paschal lamb was nothing more than an act of remembrance and honor to YHVH.Thus you are saying that Christians truly have no…[Read more]

Thanks Nick. I agree with SOL, Jesus is not son of YHVH. SOL is quite right also that Jesus was a pagan savior.You all can now resume to fighting over who Jesus WAS as long as you stop associating him with YHVH.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,14:05)Hi Tow, More than just the teacher of truth.He is:Saviour. Pagan savior, the Jews and followers of YHVH have only El Shaddai as their savior.Quote ServantMonogenes SonOf which god? Jupiter? Jupiter comes from “O father god”.Quote PriestPagan priest. He was never anointed as a Jewish priest, neither was he…[Read more]

(1) Jesus was a man, not a lamb (2) if Jesus was supposed to symbolize a lamb for a sin offering, he should have been a female (Lev 4:32, Lev 5:6) (3) since Jesus' blood was not placed on an altar the sacrifice is of no effect (Lev 17:3-4). All of this is according to Torah. Since G-d does not violate His own Torah, then Jesus could never be a sin…[Read more]

Although I am not supposed to post in here, all I want to say is that the original post in this thread is a blatant cut-n-paste from a website without giving a link for credit. It is from jcnot4me.com, which besides being a site that denies Jesus, is a site that denies any god of revealed religions. Basically an atheist site. Therefore this thread…[Read more]

Which teacher would that be? If you are speaking of Jesus, then it seems he is no longer Messiah, no longer a savior, but you have now given him the title of 'teacher'. At best, that is what he was.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 19 2007,11:56)Hi Tow,m Indeed false religion posing as following Christ is far more prevalent.But you should ignore their dangerous follies.Out God is not triune.Jesus is a man.Jesus is the prophet and an eternal priest and a servant to our God and we should worship the only true God as He did.His life sacrifice for sin…[Read more]

Nah, I just desire for Christians to stop saying they worship YHVH when the Tanakh obviously conflicts strongly with the GT. YHVH is not triune, Jesus is a man and not to be worshiped, and drinking blood and sacrificing humans is contradictory to Tanakh.

Repetition does not strengthen your claim that Jesus was a messiah. He was certainly not King Messiah because not a single true messianic prophecy came about while he lived. He even had the wrong lineage. The only prophecu Jesus fulfilled was really a warning to YHVH's people:====================================Deu 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 19 2007,01:21)Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 19 2007,11:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 18 2007,11:17)Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 19 2007,00:22)For hundreds of years, Christians killed and persecuted Jews. Hundreds or thousands, perhaps millions, of Jews have died at the hands of Christians. Knowing this, how can one say the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2007,23:15)Hi Tow, He is the fulfillment of all and since you are not Jewish you will need to know our miracle working Messiah as those outside the Law will perish without reference to it.Please provide evidence for this assertion using Tanakh. GT passages will not suffice unless they agree with Tanakh.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2007,23:20)Hi Tow, We love the Jews. They have the promises. But you are not one of those.If you loved the Jews you'd leave them alone and allow them to serve G-d in the way they have been taught.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2007,13:58)Hi Tow,of course you may find it equally hard to disprove the source of the inspiration of Abram and Moses but then we have the sacred writings.We too would say it is written We respect and love your treasures but you despise the Christ.So if I write something it is true? Hmm, seems I need to start believing…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 18 2007,16:53)Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 19 2007,00:18)Since Christians say Satan is a literal spiritual being, and his whole existence is supposedly dedicated to deceiving, here is a question for you to answer:Paul never met Jesus. Paul often called what he wrote 'my gospel' rather than the gospel of Jesus. Jesus told men to keep…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2007,12:09)Hi Tow, To those who are confused nothing is plain.If you hear his voice no proofs are needed.2Ch 18:20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'By what means?' 2Ch 18:21 And he said, 'I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2007,12:09)Hi Tow, To those who are confused nothing is plain.If you hear his voice no proofs are needed.Nick,What voice are you hearing? Are you certain that the voice is not from 'satan'? What makes you so sure? Can you trust your judgment alone to discern such things?