Quote (acertainchap @ June 29 2007,11:30)What do you make of these?Isaiah 14:12 (New King James Version)    12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,      O Lucifer, son of the morning!      How you are cut down to the ground,      You who weakened the nations!     Isaiah 14:13-25 (New King James Version) 13 For you have said in your heart:      ‘…[Read more]

Hi IM4truth,I am sure that I must be missing some deep spiritual meaning to the scriptures.But EZ 28:14 was speaking about the king of Tyrus.And Is 14:12 was speaking of the king of Babylon.How did man decide that both were speaking of the fall of satan?You said ” God does not create evil”That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,07:44)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2007,07:35)Hi W, Why would you align your thoughts with the enemies of Christ? Jesus showed them they were deceivedNHJn 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal…[Read more]

Boy, how do you Guys jump between these different threads like this..I'm worn out.:) Tim

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2007,06:31)Well, I believe that God was in Jesus reconciling the world.  But because I've been taught from a young age that God could not be sin, and Jesus “became” sin for the world when he hung on the cross………I was taught that God “left” Jesus when he became sin and died.This would sound true considering that…[Read more]

Huh!I am starting to see double:p Tim

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:31)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,06:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41)It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ June 29 2007,06:18)For those of you who say we must “repent” to be saved, I would like to know what we have to repent of?All of your sins.I couldn't even remember all of mine, there were so many.So I kept asking for forgiveness for even the ones that I couldn't remember.Tim

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,06:09)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41)It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41)It is my opinion that “Son of God” was a term only found about 4 times in the OT scriptures and to the Jews of his day we see that for Jesus to claim to be the “Son of God” was blasphemy and meant to them he was making himself equal to God. John nor Jesus rebuked Thomas! In those days to be the son of a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,05:41)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 29 2007,05:25)I guess that my inability to follow your logic stems from the fact that it is that it is stessed over 200 times in the new testament that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus himself stresses this fact.Yet man has latched on to one or two questionable verses that can be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,04:49)Did Jesus have to give all the appalations you speak of when he mentioned the Father for you to believe the Father is God?Hi WorshippingJesus,Actually, Jesus did at one time or another state that His father had all of those attributes, and was in fact the true God. I am not sure what appalations means.…[Read more]

Ooops,I posted at the same time you were posting Not3in1.That last post was for WorshippingJesus.Tim

I guess that my inability to follow your logic stems from the fact that it is that it is stessed over 200 times in the new testament that Jesus is the son of God. Jesus himself stresses this fact.Yet man has latched on to one or two questionable verses that can be understood in different ways,and has concluded that Jesus was deluding us and in…[Read more]

Thank you WorshippingJesus,Actually, I am of the opinion that God has a Son at his right hand to whom He has given all authorityfor a time. If He wishes for His son to be called a God, then it can be so.Tim

Actually satan, the devil, was never really called lucifer.”He that commits sin is of the DEVIL for the Devil SINS FROM THE BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the WORKS of the Devil” (I John 3:8). So it sounds like if satan was around before Adam and Eve, and he “sins from the beginning”. Then satan…[Read more]

Hi acertainchap.The whole idea that lucifer rebelled is a fairytale myth fabricated by the church.Lucifer was never God's choir director.He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2007,03:45)Jn 20:28 And Thomas answered and *said unto him*, My Lord and my God.Why cant you just believe the scriptures without putting a “Unitarian” twist to it?The problem that you have is Thomas didnt say… “MY LORD AND MY FATHER”, did he? Hi WorshippingJesus,You say that , “The problem that you have is…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:11)A popular message from the pulpit is that God had to “turn away” when Jesus became sin because God cannot look on sin?  I always thought that is why Jesus called out to God and said, “Why have you forsaken me?”  I don't know…Hi Not3in1,I heard that silly message from my pastor as well.They are taught to give t…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 27 2007,08:20)I'm glad we get to eat in heaven…..I love nachos!  I wonder if there will be nachos in Paradise? Hi not3in1,Nope, just angelfood cake. Tim