Not3in1,1 Timothy 2:15 says that Jesus is a man. Hebrews 2:17 says Jesus was made like His brethren in all things. This means He had to be a man, a human, just like us. If he were a fusion of God and man, He would not be just like us. By having two natures that do not fuse, as the Definition of Chalcedon, Jesus is still like us because His…[Read more]

Quote If you think the God in this verse is Jesus, then Stephen ignored the Father completely.I know you don't believe that, t8, for whoever sees Jesus sees the Father, and the Father and Jesus are one, etc.

I agree, t8, that the Logos is included in the “Us” of Genesis, just as He is included in the “Us” in John 17:21. This supports the view that Jesus is God, in my opinion, as God is the only one mentioned in Genesis.

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 22 2007,07:45)Thus, I think we can say God is completely other, existing in a way incomparable with everything else.***********************I agree with you, Tim.  That is why God sent his Son into the world.  That is why Jesus is “God with us” in the flesh (“with us” in that his son is his representative.)  That is why God is…[Read more]

Quote do you know this, and that He who is God was not discussing things with the heavenly council which does exist?I don't see a discussion in Psalm 82.Psalm 89 says God is feared by the council of the holy ones. Again, no discussion.Job 1-2 shows God talking to Satan. You think Satan is created in the “Us” when God says, “Let Us make man in…[Read more]

Hi David,Forgive me but I don't feel as though you responded to my second post. Maybe you did, I just don't see it.Anyway, it's good that our differences are clear -dualists believe God is different than creation in every way, whereas Jehovah's Witnesses believe God is different most and many ways, but not in all ways. Would you say that's…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ May 18 2007,05:53)Tim2,When Jesus died, you say that God died too – how can that be?  God cannot die.You say that everything Jesus experiences, God experiences too – how can this be?  God cannot be tempted.Now this is a bit cras, my apologies; but I assume Jesus had a penis – how can this be?  God is not a man.Jesus changed his mi…[Read more]

Martian and WhatisTrue,I know that the dual nature of Jesus is easy to state, as in the Definition of Chalcedon, but difficult, perhaps impossible, to understand, but it is forced upon us by Scripture. If you admit that Scripture declares Jesus to have an attribute that men don't have, then you must believe that He has some sort of dual nature.…[Read more]

David has argued on the “What about John 1:1?” forum that the angels share in the divine nature with God, and that this could be what John 1:1 is saying about the Word.  He recently said this:Quote I too argue for the uniqueness of Jehovah.  I argue it even more than you do.  He is completely unique, without comparison to anyone.  He is above all…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 17 2007,19:30)Quote And then you say that the angels are the same as YHWH in that they are both spirits.  This I would have to disagree with you on.  I just can't believe that the Spirit, YHWH, is in essence or substance the same type of spirit that the angels possess. Hi Tim2.I'm not saying the angels are the same as YHWH.  …[Read more]

That exact language isn't in the creeds, Not3, but you better have a look at them anyway http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html

Not3in1,You are right. God is our Saviour. Jesus is our Saviour. And there is only one Saviour. Isaiah 43;11 says, “I, even I, am YHWH, and there is no saviour besides Me?” So when Jesus is called our Saviour, Titus 1:4, then there are only two possibilities: Jesus is God, or Paul is blaspheming. I don't think the “through” argument…[Read more]

Ken,You raise many good points, and many valid criticisms of the Roman Catholic Church. I am not sure that the RCC is the Harlot. The seven hills are interesting, but, how do we know this isn't just referring to the Roman Empire? And we know the RCC does many good things, such as proclaiming Christ as Lord and teaching the 10 Commandments…[Read more]

Well, maybe the the two wills don't exactly jump out at us, but they are a necessary consequence of believing in the two natures of Jesus, which I think is inescapable, as He clearly is a man, and as I hope everyone here admits, He is Something more than man.  However, I think Unisage's posts show the two wills of Jesus, in that we see it is His…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 16 2007,19:33)Quote But I think the critical issue then becomes, whether or not God's nature is entirely unique to Him, or if angels and believers share in it? Hi Tim2May 14th, this thread, Is 1:18 said: “My answer is yes. Only a divine being can have a divine nature.”Jehovah is a “divine being” the “divine one” so according to…[Read more]

Hope2u,Quote The way I see it is that the spirit of antichrist that possessed the polytheistic nations of old is still at work and trying to make one self existent, eternal, mighty, exceedingly great God into three. Can’t be done according to what the Bible says. Anyone who chooses to believe that eloheem in reference to YHVH means more than o…[Read more]

Hi Marthinus,It sounds as though you believe Jesus is God. I hope this is so. Tim

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,18:53)HiTim2, Of course. The Spirit of God was given to Jesus. God gives His gifts without repentance. So Christ sends the Spirit of Christ to unite us to him and to God from whom the Spirit proceeds.Nick,The Spirit is also given to believers, but we don't have the authority to “send” it. How is that Jesus has the…[Read more]

I'm not on my own computer, so I don't have my saved list of the most updated version of the Trinity verses, and I don't feel like searching for, but here is one to add to it: John 17:19, “I sanctify Myself.” Now can anyone besides God sanctify? I don't think so. But Jesus sanctifies Himself. Jesus is God.Tim

Martian and WhatisTrue,Thanks for discussing this with me. I think it's very interesting, and I'm learning more from it each day. I hope you are too.First, to WhatisTrue, I believe we see evidence of two wills of Jesus in His journey to the cross. The will of his human nature is seen in Luke 22:42, “Not My will, but Yours be done.” I believe…[Read more]