Hi Nick,Would you like to answer my question? I'll even answer one of yours. tim

The Bible does. The faith in the ecumenical creeds does.I wish I could say I didn't know anyone who thinks that a son has a different nature than his father, but I do.Tim

Nick,The son of the lord of the vineyard is a man, right? He has the same nature as the father, right?Tim

Hi Not3in1,You believe that God begets God? That's great. Hallelujah! Um, do you believe in the pre-existence of the Son/Word before He became flesh? So He was God (John 1:1) before He became flesh? If you believe this, again, wow, I'm really happy. What happened when He became flesh we can discuss later. But this alone I'm very happy to…[Read more]

Hi guys,The Trinity is a set of doctrine. It consists of several statement about the nature of God. Statements I've made above. Please discuss them.Tim

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 10 2007,08:02)and since everyone who heard him say,”The Father and I are one” took that to mean that He is God, then I will make the same conclusion that Thomas made, “Jesus is my God.”*************************But noone is recorded as calling Jesus God (except Thomas and that is doubtful – no pun intended:))  Is anywhere…[Read more]

The one that believes the Bible. Not the one that believes “The Bible minus John 20:28.”Tim

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 10 2007,07:37)Tim2,Jesus prayed that we would be “one” with the Father.  IN THE SAME WAY that Jesus was one with the Father.  Does that mean that we are God, too, then?Hi Not 3in1, Since it is not said anywhere that we are God, I will conclude that we are not God. But that Jesus is explicitly called God (John 1:1, 1:18, 2…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Our God is Jesus. John 20:28.Tim

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 10 2007,07:09)Besides the so-called proof of Thomas' confession.  AND THOMAS WAS A DOUBTER!  I know Tim2 loves to be connected to Thomas.  I wouldn't be so proud to be connected to a doubter.  Even Jesus said that it was better to believe without seeing…..Hi Not 3in1,So which of the disciples is your role model? Peter den…[Read more]

Hi Not3in1,With regard to giving honor, John 5:23 says, “that all will honor the Son as they honor the Father.”It's clear that the honor you give to Jesus is less than the honor you give to the Father, so I think you're violating this command. Also, if the Father is the only God, doesn't this God say He won't share his glory with another (Isaiah…[Read more]

Not 3in1,Jesus says they are one in John 10:30. If they're not one God, then what one are they? Everyone who heard Him, by the way, understood Him to mean one God, including when He said it again in John 10:38.That Jesus has a sign of authority on His head, I don't see in 1 Corinthians 11. That God is the head of Christ means that the Son has…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Ok, but do you agree that these clear statements are made:There is only one God.We cannot worship or serve any other god.The Father is God.The name of the Father is the name of God.The name of the Father is the name of the Son and the Spirit.The Son is God.The Father and the Son are one. (One what?)The Spirit is God.The word for “one” in…[Read more]

Just a comment on the above post:My fonts and underlying didn't come through. I've tried to divide it into sections. The section heads are the lines without any verses next to them, and below each of them, I hope, is an explanation in parantheses. Then are listed points and the verses that support them.Enjoy.Tim

Trinity VersesDirect statements of one God and three persons: (pretty clear support of Trinity)-Direct statements of the oneness of God: Deut. 6:4, Deut. 4:35, etc.-no other gods:Isaiah 44:6-Direct statement of three persons who share the one Name of God: Matthew 28:19-Direct statement of the oneness of the Father and…[Read more]

Hi Ken,I'm curious as to why you say that Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath day. Could you please show me where it says this?Tim

Hi,Since this looks like the closest thing in the Easter day, I would like to propose here that we stop arguing until Monday. I'm new, so don't listen to me, but I'll be back Monday.Tim

Nick,It's not the gospel that Jesus is the God of those who believe it? What is John 20:28 then?Tim

Hi Nick,I have not added it. This is the confession of the apostles. John 20:28. If you believe another gospel, you are cursed. Galatians 1:9.Tim

No,Jesus did not lie. He expressed the ignorance of his rational soul and mind. As far as His Godhead is concerned, he knew.Tim