shimmer, im at work but I wil do my best to respond the point is what did jesus think about what the greek word being used? which is why he responded with OT scripture. how did he see it? thats what I care about how Jesus thought of the word. the apostle john worshiped a angel TWICE even after everything he went though. isnt jesus more than the angels?

How about John 4:24 anybody?God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truthIs this to bow down as well?4352. proskuneó is used as well in this verse.What say you????

Hi Shimmer,Quote I believe there is a difference in bowing down to one, as people do bow down in honour and respect and love, but worship..to worship something, as scripture says is for God alone, as Jesus said is for God alone, to me worship is something else. If I go into a church and they sing and raise up their hands and pray and yell out to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,13:11)Quote The point was cut and dry, its very simple, Jesus claimed that the Father was in Him, and they are one, it doesnt state that they were EVER seperated.Of course “it” meaning that scripture that speaks of Jehovah and Jesus being “one” doesn't speak about them separating.  Never said it did.  All I said was y…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,13:05)Quote Jehovah is God almighty of course, but not the father to anyone until Jesus revealed him as such. OK, we are off subject, but when someone is so wrong, I just have to comment.ISAIAH 64:8And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father.ISAIAH 63:16  “For you are our Father; although Abraham himself may not have known…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:51)Quote You are right.  The OT does never talk about Jesus being used by Jehovah to create the universe BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT JESUS TOO MUCH.Well, unless you include Proverbs, which many believe symbolically speaks of Jehovah using Jesus as a master worker to do these things.Sure, but than again its…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:59)Quote Jesus states in John 17, that they are one, that the Father is IN HIM. I love it when people say that John says that the son and Father are one.  I find it comical and fun.Later, in the same book, jesus says that he wanted his disciples and him to be “one” JUST AS HE AND HIS FATHER ARE ONE.It was speaking…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:56)Quote Hades and sheloh are used interchangably to represent a state of tormentSo you think Jesus was tormented for those days?Quote First of all scripture says that Jesus gave up his “spirit” “ghost”First, it's just plain wrong to translate it “ghost” for a number of reasons.  “spirit” in the Bible is used in a…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:49)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:39)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:26)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,That's so true.  In fact I wonder why they even have separate names.  Oh, wait, because they aren't the same person, a…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:50)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:44)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:17)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,If we are speaking of the Bible as a whole, then you will find that “Jehovah” is mentioned without the “Son” several…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:45)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 01 2010,18:40)Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:27)Quote Truth is that the Son dwells in the one true Light, when have they ever been seperated?After Jesus creation, they were separated once for a few days.According to what scripture?When Jesus died, it was his Father, who was still…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:17)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,If we are speaking of the Bible as a whole, then you will find that “Jehovah” is mentioned without the “Son” several thousand times!I know right?I find that strange as well? Why did the Jew feel so…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:27)Quote Truth is that the Son dwells in the one true Light, when have they ever been seperated?After Jesus creation, they were separated once for a few days.According to what scripture?

Quote (david @ Nov. 01 2010,12:26)Quote I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always mentioned togethor,That's so true.  In fact I wonder why they even have separate names.  Oh, wait, because they aren't the same person, and that would be confusing.  As it turn out, “Jehovah” is mentioned about 70…[Read more]

Hi MikeYou Said:Quote In fact, the word “proskuneo” is most often rendered as “bowed down before”, like what the man did to King David…….who is not God. (LXX)  It is only in cases involving Jesus that the trinitarian translators render what should be “bowed down before” as “worshipped”.  Maybe we could start with the fact that there are two d…[Read more]

Hi All,I have had limited particpation in HN lately, But i have been reading and keeping up with most of the postings.I guess this is the hot topic of right now.I think all this debate centers around the word Worship and its literal meaning and what not. I think Kathi, the best arguement is not to seperate the Father and the Son, they are always…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 01 2010,05:43)Why would the OP be the Quran vs The Bible and not the Quran confirms the Bible?Because it doesnt Obvio senorQuestion does the Quran say one must read the bible/pentauch? Does Mohammed teach that?

Quote (dirtyknections @ Oct. 28 2010,05:43)This whole thread is study in semantics….hahahahaDk,There is a section called Member profiles,Do me a favor if you wish to explain exactly what you believe and where do you stand, because Your NEW (I think)So I have no idea where you stand or what issues your trying to argue. I like to understand people in HN.

Im going to respond soon mike,Im in debt with bod and now you. Actually to be honest I havent felt up to it lately.Pray for meMuch love,

Quote If your waiting for Jesus to knock you off your horse and tell you who is and who he is not you need only to open the bible and read for your self.You would have to be blind not to see it,and we know who blinds people.However,even a blind person can be healed and then see.Is this guy stilll in this forum or not?anyways We cant save…[Read more]