Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:49)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)So Judas was still Judas, but it had nothing to do with Qaulity but possession.  So As Judas was still Judas, he was still as much as Satan as Satan was. Who said the Devil had horns? (Im honestly asking)It does. He is either devil in identity making him the Devil or in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2011,14:36)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:37)You state that God created all through him? what God? whom? Define God for the sake of clarification.   Of course I agree the Father created beacuse I believe them to be one and the same. But thats the way I see it, which is easy for me to understand.  But as you wre s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2011,22:34)Hi D,Read the second to the last line in my recent post to Francis on this page.  We ARE in agreement.And you keep saying you've proved that Jesus created.  I haven't seen any scripture that says so.  So like I said, YOU would have to PROVE that Jesus created.  I believe the scriptures that say the Father cre…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,20:16)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:53)1.  So what does the Father mean to you?2.  and what does the Son mean to you?3.  and what does God mean to you?1.  One who has brought forth offspring.2.  One who has been brought forth by his father.3.  The Almighty Creator of heaven and earth…………not to be…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Quote No, get YOUR facts straight…………and read what I actually wrote before spouting off:No Mike, It seems that THEOS is used differently than Elohim.  because for Certain theos is used to present a “supreme being”.  Just put the defintions side by side and you can see that they dont totally match up.  Everything is based on the Co…[Read more]

HI MIke,Quote You are correct.  I still believe that the word itself simply MEANS “leader”.  But I have conceded the point and will continue the debate with “god” as a bonafide DEFINITION.  The fact remains that being called “elohim” doesn't necessarily mean you are God Almighty, so the end result is the same:  Just because Jesus is referred to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:45)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:36)lol, i will not answer questions exactly the way YOU want to.I thought you were a pupil of Paul Cohen.  I could have sworn that you told me before that the Son IS the Father.Yeah………..I remember asking about him praying to himself and other things.But now…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:41)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:19)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:47)I am not trying to prove that every mention of Elohim means Supreme being, What Im trying to prove that the Definitino of Elohim entirely is defined by Context.Very good.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:35)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:18)1. And what is GOD/Theos according to you?2. Why would “God the Supreme Being” (clarity needed) need anyone to create the World?3. Ummm God? duh? Who happens to be Jesus.    Context says that God created the world, Yet God says Jesus did.  shoulnt that tell you so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:25)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:51)Jesus Told Philip if you See him, you see the Father.He is the IMAGE of the Invisible God.the Father is IN him, and He is IN the Father.So your answer is “YES Mike, I DO believe the Son to actually BE the Father”, right?  Just DIRECTLY answer the question, D.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:19)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,15:47)I am not trying to prove that every mention of Elohim means Supreme being, What Im trying to prove that the Definitino of Elohim entirely is defined by Context.Very good. So……….can I add YOU to the list of those who agree that being called “elohim”, IN AND OF…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,10:13)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,09:42)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 21 2011,20:51)My Point is that In fact it is YOU who claimed that there are many ELOHIMS!And it was us who was tellling you that just because they were called Gods doesnt mean they were really Gods…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,09:42)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 21 2011,20:51)My Point is that In fact it is YOU who claimed that there are many ELOHIMS!And it was us who was tellling you that just because they were called Gods doesnt mean they were really Gods at All!Yeah,I'm up to speed on all this.  Remember when I asked you what context…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,09:42)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 21 2011,20:51)My Point is that In fact it is YOU who claimed that there are many ELOHIMS!And it was us who was tellling you that just because they were called Gods doesnt mean they were really Gods at All!Yeah,I'm up to speed on all this.  Remember when I asked you what context…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,09:39)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 21 2011,20:11)Actually thats not really the case, I dont CLASSIFY myself nor put my self under a doctrinal name, but to be precise on what i believe, i believe BEYOND the Trinity but not excluding it at all.Do you or do you not believe that Jesus IS the Father?mikeJesus Told…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,09:28)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 21 2011,19:33)Mike, first off Elohim is used to present a “Surpeme being”So Deborah, the elohim of Israel, was a “Supreme Being”?YES or NO, D.mikeMike why didnt you quote the WHOLE point of how to find out what is a “supreme being” or not. I already posted a scripture that…[Read more]

Hi T8Quote 1)I didn't mention elohim at this point, (in your quote), so your point makes no sense to me.True, But my point was that your case is simliar to Mike. (which didnt go to well for mike)Quote Actually we know that God created all through him. So if that is Jesus creating everything, then as long as you understand that it was the Father…[Read more]

T8,I hope you have the time to respond to this post.Quote It is really not that hard.For us there is one God the Father.For others there are others WHO are God.T8 your taking the same route that Mike took in his debate over “elohim”.Quote Scripture is clear. The Father is the one true God.All others that are called God/gods are called that in a…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 21 2011,22:59)Francis wrote:Quote Afterall… it is impossible to have a meaningful conversation if it is rife with and full of confusion.Francis,Mike does not desire meaningful conversation. All he wants is the last word and he will wear you out until you yield it. After you yield it he will accuse you of hiding…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2011,15:12)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 21 2011,20:20)Second, triad and trinity are not the same thing. In the triad the god is one person. In the trinity the God is three unified persons.What about  1 Timothy 5:21“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.”Is this a Trinity or Triad, or a…[Read more]