Hi terraricaagain to respond to one of the verses you madesomething caught my eye when i was reading itJn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. Intresting….! isnt it?…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2010,14:32)SFfirst your scriptures in;John 10:30 “I and my Father are one”and prevousily he siad that “The Father and I are one”John 14:11 “Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.”you really believe that this will be accepted by any one with a little…[Read more]

Quote Ok, SF, I read through the six pages of this topic.  Thanks for the summary.  I'll add what I believe that God has taught me on this passage over time.You wrote:Quote John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2010,16:40)SimplyForgiven,I have done a little thought on this and I remember from Hebrews that it was previously written in scripture that mankind was created a little lower than the angels.  From my understanding that scripture is speaking of the level of authority mankind was given as compared to the angels.   To humble y…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2010,14:14)I am unclear about what verses you are referring to so, could you put up one scripture or passage and ask your question about that scripture/passage.  Then we can discuss that one and then maybe move on?  That might help. ThanksAGHH….. CANT YOU JUST READ THE THREAD!!! jklol….Basically i started with the p…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 21 2010,12:30)Oh, I see… You were putting a Trini bend on it.I thought for a moment you were actually going to have a meaningful discussion.New wine in new skin, like!But it turns out that it's just another shaggy dog argument. Well, it's pie in the sky, to me, water off a ducks back to you. I tried to help you when I…[Read more]

You know what im the one who messed up. Let me apologize. I had to relook at it. Im still hold to the points i made, but i didnt get what ya were saying. I GEt what you met by IN, my bad! lolBut im still holding to the points i made, and the context of the scripture, and i just mis-worded some of the posts. and how ya responded didnt make sense…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2010,12:36)Hi SF,Where does Jesus say that He is the Father?  He says that He is in the Father and that the Father is in Him but it doesn't say that He is the Father.  Let's take a little example of what that could look like.  Is the influence of your father in you and your influence in your father?  That is just one way…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2010,08:56)Hello SF,you said:Quote Show me a scripture that Jesus says that he is NOT the Father.John 7:2828 Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, “You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. NASUThere are two different…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2010,08:56)Hello SF,you said:Quote Show me a scripture that Jesus says that he is NOT the Father.John 7:2828 Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, “You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. NASUThere are two different…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2010,14:13)SFyou say;for example: My family, and fellow church members may have alot of good things to say about me, and they all agree.  But at work, a circumstance occurs when a costumer wants to buy something after we have closed, unfortunaly I as a manager have to tell them that they cant, and it might be in a…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2010,01:37)SFparadoxes are extreme opposites but are they really opposite?or just companions, pairs ,units,ensemble so to speak,just like the universe is a unit all is of God.i was not insulting you nor your knowledge in men s world ,but refer to God s understanding spirit.knowledge of God trough men eyes is not the same…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 14 2010,18:26)Quote the Blood witnessed as the shedding of blood as in what seals the deal, when we read hebrews we read that everything was sealed in blood, like in every law Moses sprinkles the blood of animals on the book and on the people.  and than hebrews says how much more is the blood of the Son of God?  and Water is c…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 21 2010,07:19)Quote (david @ May 14 2010,02:14)Let's look at this in point form:POINT FORM:-The Bible doesn't say the holy spirit is God.DavidAnd none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of.Are you saying God who is a Spirit cannot fill…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2010,16:40)I am stating that Jesus was qualified to be the King of Everything in heaven and on earth even at his conception.  It is only after he resurected that God apointed him to that position as per Mathew 28:18.  God did not place himself under Jesus' authority according to 1 Corinthians 15:27.  I hope that clarifies my…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2010,22:23)SimplyForgiven,I have done a little thought on this and I remember from Hebrews that it was previously written in scripture that mankind was created a little lower than the angels.  From my understanding that scripture is speaking of the level of authority mankind was given as compared to the angels.   To humble y…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 20 2010,01:19)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 19 2010,17:59)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 19 2010,02:56)SF……….The problem with much of what we percieve scripture as saying is not understanding the symbolic language used in scriptures the metaphors and parables and Proverbs used. The bible is full of them, in fact we are told…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2010,18:01)Hi SF, Take care with scripture. “I am IN the Father..” is what is written. Get the words correct first before adding inferences.I love it when you start to judge me without any claims.i referred to this scripture here. maybe you should take the time to read more about what im referring too instead of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 20 2010,00:43)SF………Why did Jesus say the word he spoke were (NOT) His words . If He were GOD the Words he spoke would be His would they not?. You seem to profess Jesus as GOD but deny what he said. “FOR (THOU) (someone other then the one speaking) ART THE (ONLY) GOD”, Only means (NO) other.  So how do you see…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ May 16 2010,14:12)Shalom to you.The only association i have with the Tribe of is through the Messiah and whom ever follows Him.Hebrew is the “original language” not just of the Torah and the majority of the Messianic Writings, but it is also the “chosen language.”It was the language before the tower of Babel was destroyed, and it…[Read more]