Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2006,04:02)learning from his earthly parentsHiIf Jesus really did exist before he was born at the start of the gospels (even if he wasn't God), then I think it's still pretty odd that he should learn from his parents. Preexistence is closely linked with trinitarianism, and causes all sorts of problems.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2006,07:42)Since when did “sent from God” have the same meaning as “sent from heaven”?Hi NickBoth 1 John 4:9 and John 8:42 both say that Jesus was sent from God, not that Jesus was sent from heaven. We can go through passages that say that Jesus was sent from heaven, but you should give them first!But if you want to be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2006,07:07)1Jn 4.9f”By this we know the love of God was manifested in us, that God has SENT His only begotten Sonso that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and SENT His Son..” Not a thought or a plan but He sent His Son into the world.Jn 8.42″I proceeded forthAND have…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2006,07:07)You confuse me.Why would you say he was a spirit of divine nature in one post and then deny it?Hi NickNow I'm confused! Please quote my statements that you think contradict each other.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2006,02:55)His previous divine spiritual nature is not part of the equation. It was emptied out along with shedding his glory. It was housed by the natural body and later the spiritual body, and itself housed the Spirit of God, which was poured out to allow his followers to share in his body and the powers and graces he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2006,02:43)Hi sammo, So you say Jesus was a spirit of divine nature before he came in flesh? How long had such a spirit existed before coming?No, I'm saying that Jesus didn't exist at all before he was born. He had been part of the plan of God before he was born, but nothing more than that.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2006,22:44)Hi,1Cor 15.45f”So also it is written'The first man, Adam, became a living soul'The last Adam became a lifegiving spirit.However the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. As to the earthy, so also are those who are…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,19:51)Quote (Sammo @ May 08 2006,04:45)Hi Isa 1:18Well, I don't think Jesus is the “word”; I believe Jesus is the “word made flesh”, which is quite different.Hi sammo, So is it the flesh that makes us who we are and is our person? Why does scrpture say that Jesus Christ “came in the flesh”? Does that not suggest,…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 08 2006,05:29)Quote (Sammo @ May 08 2006,04:45)Hi Isa 1:18Well, I don't think Jesus is the “word”; I believe Jesus is the “word made flesh”, which is quite different.Sammo,Was that post for me? I didn't write the word “word” in my post to you. Although He is given this designation several times in the NT (Joh 1:1 & 14, 1 Joh…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,20:09)Thank you Is 1.18. Sammo, why would you show me the derivation of “humbled” when you were discussing the word “emptied”??Sorry – yeah, it's quite different in the AV, and sounded more like verse 8. You can understand why I was surprised!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2006,04:02)Hi Sammo, Not if the glorious golden vessel emptied himself.Below is what my Online Bible has about the word “humbled” in Phil 2:8. Are you sure that this verse is saying that a pre-existent Jesus “emptied” himself of his power, knowledge and character? None of the definitions below say anything at all like…[Read more]

Hi Isa 1:18Well, I don't think Jesus is the “word”; I believe Jesus is the “word made flesh”, which is quite different.

The Greek word for “world” in Hebrews 1:2 is “aion”, which usually means a period of time (this has even made it into modern English). For instance, see Hebrews 9:26, where the same word clearly means a period of time.So I read Hebrews 1:2 as saying that the ages (aions) of mankind are based around the life of Jesus, not that Jesus was…[Read more]

Hi Nick”And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” (Col 1 :18)There are two types of creation – the literal creation in Genesis 1, and a figurative 'new' creation that comes from being 'born again'. The reason that Jesus is the firstborn of the…[Read more]

Hi guysI think it's easy to miss the forest for the trees here – by the far the plainest reading of the gospels is that Jesus began to exist when he was born in 4BC. The stories of the birth of Jesus in Matthew, Mark and Luke never mention anything even remotely approaching any kind of incarnation.—————–Evidence that Jesus had a…[Read more]

Thanks for the # Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 05 2006,05:55)So you're saying that because humans can only be one person it automatically follows that all higher beings must also be the same? Why? By doing so aren't you, in some sense, making God in our own image? I would expect a universe-creating being to be a little more complex than a human being, and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 05 2006,04:56)Quote (Sammo @ May 05 2006,04:44)All the same, I doubt if Joseph and Pharaoh were 100% the same being…Hey Sammo!Im interested to know what exactly you mean by this. Can you please elaborate?Hey Isa 1:18Would you believe it, I was actually in your neck of the woods last week, and tried giving you a call, but the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2006,05:01)Hi Sammo, Should all resign from the army? Can no man serve Christ in the Military? How do you feel about feeding the soldiers and tending their wounds?Hi NickIf a soldier has pledged to be non-violent, then he's either about to be killed like a sitting duck by his enemies, or imprisoned (and once upon a…[Read more]

All the same, I doubt if Joseph and Pharaoh were 100% the same being…

Oh – maybe this? http://www.massey.ac.nz/~stalexan/Files/Bible_and_war.htm