Quote (Stu @ April 04 2009,16:35)Quote The point is, that if there is a designer,Is there a designer or isn't there? If a scientific conclusion is reached, is there a scientist?Quote and if the earth is not more than a few thousand years old, the the pancreas has not been designed for the purpose to which we put it, which was a different…[Read more]

“thinker” notesQuote To All,The inspired Scriptures say of Jesus that He Himself is the propitiation for our sins (1 John 2:2).That is what the text says – “1Jn 2:2  He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. “”thinker” notesQuote It says also that the Father sent the Son to be the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 05 2009,01:21)I really believe that Seeking's and Nick's views put them at risk of damnation NOT because they are non-trinitarian, but because they incipiently deny that Christ is their Savior. I say that they “incipiently” deny because I am still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. They deny Christ is their…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:08)Do you think the “greater things” Jesus spoke of was a miracle?Can you show me where any Apostle or Prophet did greater things?Jesus with his own hands laid the foundation of the earth.Can you beat that?Maybe what you think Jesus meant is not what he meant at all.WJMar 8:36 For what does it profit a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,18:13)quote=WorshippingJesus,April 03 2009,17:18]If we have no record that the disciples did greater works than he did then maybe you misunderstand himWhat scripture did I white out?WJJesus stated PLAINLY – Joh 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:18)If we have no record that the disciples did greater works than he did then maybe you misunderstand him.Did Jesus preach the gospel of his death, burial, and resurrection?Did Jesus preach to the Gentiles or give that assignment to Paul?Did Jesus preach the gospel to the geographical ends that the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,17:00)Show me where any of the Apostles claimed that they raised someone from the dead or for that matter claimed they did any miracle. They gave the credit to Jesus!And Jesus credited the Father.  That does NOT negate that they were given the power and authority, or do you deny scripture on this point…[Read more]

WJ,Has this question been answered to your satisfaction. These passages aren't “whited out” in your bible are they?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38)What mere man could do that?WJMat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay. Hi WJ,Peter raised the dead.A mere…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,16:55)Hi SEEKINGExample of denying certain scriptures in order to support manmade doctrine.Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24)he was raised from the deadFor as the Father raises the dead and gives them life,”I can do nothing on my own”he was raised from the dead….Jesus also said…”I will raise it up”WJ…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,16:44)Quote (SEEKING @ April 04 2009,11:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38)Hi SeekingGood scriptures. A little out of context the way you post them.In context -Joh 2:19  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Joh 2:20  The Jews then said, “It has t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38)What mere man could do that?WJMat 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 03 2009,15:38)Hi SeekingGood scriptures. A little out of context the way you post them.In context -Joh 2:19  Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Joh 2:20  The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” J…[Read more]

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Joh 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. but only what he sees the Father doing.Joh 5:30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ April 02 2009,17:38)Seeking…….Amen Brother , you have correctly stated the point, Jesus did (NOT) raise HIMSELF, that is if He were (TRULY DEAD) as He himself said He was and Many Scriptures also say He was (DEAD) And dead people don't Raise themselves. WJ doesn't realize that it was the Father Speaking (first Person) through…[Read more]

WJ states – Quote Scriptures claim Jesus and the Spirit are God, yet you claim they don’t exist! This same ignorant question was posed before and answered as follows – (WJs first time to make the statement)WJ states earlier Quote Now show me one scripture that specifically says the three spoken of above does not exist!!! There are many s…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 02 2009,08:52)Quote (SEEKING @ April 01 2009,08:44)Yours is the responsibility to show the scripture(s) that SPECIFICALLY mention the trinity as it is YOUR contention that the non-existent does exist.And yours is the responsibility to show where it says SPECIFICALLY  that Jesus and the Spirit are not God when…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ April 02 2009,06:27)Quote (SEEKING @ April 01 2009,10:11)I believe I have asked this in the past, perhaps not of you,with no concrete YES/NO answer; Is belief or non-belief in the trinitarian doctrine a matter of salvation?if it was the bible would have said so…plain and simpleAgreed!  So then it is just one of the many…[Read more]

Thinker,Christendom is divided over many things, I agree.Trinitarians are divided over the essence of who Jesus isthough they claim he is God in one sense or another.You say non-trinitarians are divided.  I am sure that is so but I do not know of them being divided over their essential belief that Jesus is not equal to God the father.Trinitarian…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2009,12:04)Quote Now SEEKING, please show us where the Father does anything without the Son.WJ,Once again I say, “I did! Only your trinitarian assumptions create your erroneous conclusions.”Here are excerpts from a post to “thinker”You use a “select” scripture to establish mutual involvement in the resurrection…[Read more]

Quote Furthermore, my Apollinarian trinitarianism is virtually non-existent now and you know this!Whenyou grasp at straws you sound ridiculous.  No, I DON”T know anything of the kind.  You exist don't you?  Why can't there be others?Quote So for you to bring up ancient Apollinarism and try to prove from it that trinitarians “cannot agree” on wh…[Read more]