Quote It is your bias that sees those scriptures as such. For instance when you see the word God you automatically assume it means the Father. Yet we know scriptures also refer to Jesus as God. But you choose with your bias to ignore them.1Ti 2:5  For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1) One…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 12 2009,18:53)Can you show me where the Father or Jesus acted independently of each other in the scriptures that you quote?You have no evidence that the Father did anything without Jesus or that Jesus did anything without the Father. For they are One.Blessings WJIf you cannot understand these scriptures, I cannot…[Read more]

Kathi, Kerwin,Happy sonrise!Seeking

“thethinker,April 10 2009,16:28WJ,Non-trinitarian double talk is showing itself. They say that John 10:30, “I and the Father are one” means that the Father and the Son “act as one.” But…not always?”Friends,We must give this statement “thinker” made to WJ the same weight, value, and credence given to other all encompasing statements he has made…[Read more]

Quote Ponder this Seeking!Quote I suspect that none of you understand 'the deep things of God', Quote On the other hand, all of you, do a mere cursory reading of scripture and put forth your hard and fast arguements on mere surface knowledge!Quote Now, there is the prime reason that none of you understand my writings, because you lack that…[Read more]

Chosenone,After years and years of trying to sort out proper interpretation of scripture, the “right” church, etc. I decided man is just not capable,led by his intellect, to become Christlike.Christlikeness, I believe, should be our goal. But, it is God in us who both urges us to will and to do. I began to see that those led by the Spirit were…[Read more]

Quote Can you give us an example where Jesus acted independently of the Father?Jesus would act independently only if that were his role.He readily admitted that was not his role and stated,Joh 4:34  Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to accomplish his work. Quote The Father does nothing without the Son Nick has…[Read more]

Texas,Quote 1Co 13:8  Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. Sould you cite this passage to establish cessation of gifts, I would note that knowledge has passed as one of the gifts.  Perhaps you, I, and everyone else here should cease posting since we posses n…[Read more]

Quote Christ is the “WHO” who does all the followinYou got it!  Christ is the “who.”  God is the what!!Gos is the “what” of the plan of salvation. We are the “who.”Quote The Father and the Son ALWAYS act as oneNot so!  They act independently in accordance with their role,and their roles are different.  We already covered this though our opi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2009,11:46)Hi S,It is not all prearranged in detail.Choice is involved every step of the way every day. There are many options open to God if men do not cooperate with grace.I think that is what I said.  Yes, He planned options to His grace being ignored and has many options when it is refused.  One option He p…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ April 10 2009,11:19)SeekingSeeking,  Good point, slaves is another description.     Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that scripture is not about what God is telling us “that we must do” to be saved, but about what “God is doing” to save us.   What do you think?Blessings.Chosenone,Yes indeed! I have pretty much set…[Read more]

Quote =thethinker,April 10 2009,09:10]Quote Thinker said:Quote However, the text clearly implies that the Father is NOT “all in all” now.  Seeking replied:Quote I do not see the “implication” but will grant it to you.  Seeking,I don't get it. You do not see the implication that the Father is NOT “all in all” now but will grant it anyway? Bizarre t…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ April 09 2009,22:17)So lets rely on scripture!Eph2:7-10   …that, in the oncoming eons, He (God) should be displaying the transcendent riches of His grace in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,9 not of works, lest anyone…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2009,13:40)To my non-trinitarian brethren,I apologize for my erroneous claims about non-trinitarians here. Both trinitarians and non-trinitarians have good and bad history.Forgive me,thinkerI respect your humility and maturity to respond in this manner.Blessings,Seeking

Quote (thethinker @ April 09 2009,13:01)So much for your theory that the Father took the “full” responsibility. Jesus acted upon Himself. Deal with it! What is your reply our brother?thinkerthinker,I believe you have read this post before.  You indicated you had on Apr. 8. My reply will not change as a result of anything I have read from you thus…[Read more]

 Quote However, the text clearly implies that the Father is NOT “all in all” now. I do not see the “implication” but will grant it to you.  I see the distinctions as always existing as you might suspect.thinker saidQuote Christ is the one who created the new man and that man is renewed in Christ's image and not the Father's. Therefore, the e…[Read more]

Hello to all,Please bear with the length of this post.  I will underline some of the text for emphasis and consideration.  I am striving to understand one verse (Jn.5:23) in light of the whole.  Jesus, knowing the heart of the Jews, addresses their objection that Jesus is, “making himself equal with God.”  Allow me to begin.Joh 5:18  This was why…[Read more]

Non-trinitarians bow the knee to Jesus as sacrifice, savior, and Lord to give glory to the Father!Paul said that at the name of Jesus “every knee should bow…to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2). Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,14:06)Did the angel have one too many beers when He told Joseph to name the child “Jesus”? The name…[Read more]

Quote BUT…. Paul did not say that Christ would yield to the Father so that the Father could be “all in all.” He said that Christ would yield to the Father so that GOD could be “all in all.” 1Co 15:24  Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 1Co 15:28  When a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ April 08 2009,14:06)Did the angel have one too many beers when He told Joseph to name the child “Jesus”? The name “Jesus” cannot truly and properly be true of Christ if the Father took “full” responsibility in our salvation (IMO).thinkerJesus is everything name the Father has attributed to him.He is prophet, priest, king,…[Read more]