Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 30 2009,20:23)Hello Nick/ThinkerThis sounds like another post covering Paul's “new”gospel. Again, sticking with the word, we find Paul clearly identifying The Mystery.This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,14:26)Romans 16:25-26: “Now to him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but NOW is being manifested… (Paul said that it was his own gospel, “MY” gospel in the sense that it was revealed…[Read more]

Hey all,Quote James was written while the foundation still being laid and the “elementary principles” of Christ were still in effect..The most widely accepted dating for the book of James isAD 50-60.Quote But the book of Hebrews was written near the end of the building of the foundation and the author warned those Jews to “NOT lay again” the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 30 2009,10:12)Gene,Can you help me out? I wanted to understand your beliefs and listed them as I was understanding them asking if my understanding was correct.I can not find the thread I asked under. Can you direct me please. I will check here for yourresponse to this inquiry.Seeking

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2009,21:05)Seeking……….For God is not willing any Parish, but that All come to repentance. And who gives repentance is it not GOD himself .Gene,Who repents?Let me see if I understand. God is omniscient, omnipotent, etc. He is the potter and will do with us what He pleases. He pleases that all should be saved -…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2009,21:05). Scripture says we are the Clay and He is the potter ,does not the potter have power over the Clay to make it the way He wants.Gene,You cite the text and deny the fulness of what it says.  It establishes that God does not offer universal salvation or punishment.  He treats each individually and, p…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 30 2009,03:37)Hey all,Seeking thinks that only John's baptism was abolished. But Hebrews 6:1-2 explicitly says that “baptisms” (plural) were the “elementary principles of Christ and were all “foundational”. And Hebrews 9:9-10 says that “baptisms” (plural) were imposed UNTIL the time of the new order . Therefore, no matter…[Read more]

Hi all,I am through with this one.  Continual misapplication of Hebrews is wearying.  Yes there was and old and a new.  The old is not to be added to the new.But, work unto salvation is man's babble.  Again -Luke 17:10 (KJV)      So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servan…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2009,12:11)Ncik……….You just simply do not get it do you.? How clear scripture shows that God will Have mercy on ALL.Gene,I don't get it either. Where to you come up with all.The word says -Romans 9:13-21(KJV) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 29 2009,16:22)To ALL……….what makes you think if a person sins that means He has fallen away, where is that said in scripture?peace and love to all………………………………..geneGene,Scripture states plainly that a person can fall from grace. It also states how: Galatians 5:4 (KJV)      Christ is be…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,15:03)You said that baptism is a “work unto salvation.” You have proved my point. You have helped me demonstrate that baptism is old covenant. For under the new covenant salvation is NOT by works.How manipulative!Here is what I wrote, Quote Is baptism a “work unto salvation?”Luke 17:10 (KJV) So likewise ye,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 29 2009,13:06)“Nick,FYI I do not share their understanding I only submit it to you for understanding as to why they do not think it “second chance theology.”  They would deny that totally.Quite so. But we do not add to the revelation of God.God never needs the help of men to provide sound doctrine.Nick,I sent something…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2008,19:34)Taught the way of God and given a second chance? Sounds familiar but it not written.Nick,FYI they do not view it as second chance, but ratheras a chance one never had before. Their belief, as I understand it, is that many have not heard and understood the gospel. They will be given, COG believes, a firstcha…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,11:06). The more time passes away the more stupid we get. God requires that we make a clean break from the old covenant. We must stop mixing the old with the new.Thinker,People will continually fail to seperate properply the new from the old. You talk of ancient construction methods to justifydiscarding parts of…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,09:27)Seeking,You missed verses 12-13,Therefore, those who require baptism today are building upon the foundation with things that will be burned up. Baptism was old covenant. It was an “external regulation” which according to Hebrews 9 was imposed UNTIL the new covenant came.Thinker,I did not miss the verses, they…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 29 2009,02:22)Marty, Yes! Look at Hebrews “line upon line and precept upon precept”. Those Jewish Christians were commanded to “leave” those things and to “not lay again” that foundation. It is the old covenant that was the “foundation”.A jump has been taken here that is not consistent with the “line upon line” reading.…[Read more]

Quote (heaven @ Jan. 28 2009,20:33)Done.Thank You!

Marty,My post should have included – “You can read more on “Rhema” here “.http://ati.iblp.org/ati/family/articles/concepts/rhema/

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2009,19:02)Hi Seeking:I have had difficulty understanding the following scripture.  Can you give me your understanding.  Is this referring to the commandment in the Word to be baptised?Here is the KJV – Ephes. 5:26   That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (by the word, not,”which is th…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2009,17:48)The thinker……….Are you talking about water baptism, or the baptism of Christ (spirit and fire) or both? love and peace to you and yours……………………geneBoth! It seems the Eunuch example obvioiusly involved wateras did the Acts 2:38 example.Yet, there is the “Spiritual” baptism John…[Read more]