Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2009,16:13)Quote Seeking,I see Proverbs to give us a clue about the Son helping during creation also and agree with much that you have recently written. Thanks for your posts.LU,Thanks for the kind words!Blessings,Seeking

Hi all,Hear Jesus as to what he does on his own without the Fathers direction. JN 5:19-20 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.jn.5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my…[Read more]

Quote Seeking said:Quote I get it!  To present a view other than yours is to “only want to poke holes” in it.  For you to challenge the view of another is to “study.”  Thanks for the enlightenment.Seeking,I asked you to answer the example I provided from Abraham's faith. You did not. You rather found a “hole” in my logic which was correct. I co…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 29 2009,11:35)Why is it that the translators used “world” in only three places? (1:2; 9:26; 11:3) Could it be that they were interpreting and not really translating? Was it possible that “world” is really commentary on their part?thinkerThose of faith looked far beyond the “era” they were living in to the great day of…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 29 2009,11:51)Quote On the other hand, you show that you want only to poke holes in my view and not really study what I have said. If you were to really study what I have said you would reply to the example I gave from Abraham's faith.I get it! To present a view other than yours is to “only want to poke holes” in it. For…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2009,07:38)Weren't the Hebrew Christians hoping for the new heavens and the new earth?LULU,Exactly!Heb 11:38  of whom the world was not worthy–wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.   And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,   since Go…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,16:47)LU,Your supposition that the Greek “aion” refers to “planets” won't work because the only dirt the Hebrew Christians knew was the soil on which they walked. So put yourself in the shoes of the original recipients. You say that “aion” in Hebrews 1:1-2 means “planets.” Yet the Hebrew Christians didn't know of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2009,00:19)For seeking.Hmm!

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,16:47)Quote LU,Your supposition that the Greek “aion” refers to “planets” won't work because the only dirt the Hebrew Christians knew was the soil on which they walked.Here is some information to ponder regarding the above statement:In astronomy, the naked-eye planets are the five planets of our solar system that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2009,15:14)Quote (SEEKING @ Mar. 27 2009,13:52)Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 26 2009,14:23)Seeking,Agreed. But Gene said that the Father took “full responsibility” as if the Son had no part in it. Speaking of Jesus Peter said,Thinker,It does appear the Father did take the “full responsibilty”for the solution to man's…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,13:31)Seeking said:Quote Jesus took no action aside from the direction of his God and Father.  Jesus' task was to fulfill theresposibilty the Father took upon Himself by being obedient to the duties assigned to him….Granted, Jesus did the suffering and received the abuse after submitting himself to the Fathers…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,08:50)There can be no arguing with it. The new testament “attributes” creation to the Son alone. And I challenge all here to disprove me.thinkerMar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be. Eph 2:8-10…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,08:30)Quote And the government shall be upon His shoulders.When a matter is on YOUR shoulders it is YOUR responsibility. Did the Father die for you?Thinker,You speak here of a government that woud be and is “post”crucifixion and resurrection. We have been addressing events prior to and leading up to the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2009,08:30)Seeking said:Quote It does appear the Father did take the “full responsibilty”Yet the Father's flesh was not torn and His blood spilt. And then there is the Isaiah 9:6 problem,Quote And the government shall be upon His shoulders.When a matter is on YOUR shoulders it is YOUR responsibility. Did the Father die…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 26 2009,14:23)Seeking,Agreed. But Gene said that the Father took “full responsibility” as if the Son had no part in it. Speaking of Jesus Peter said,Thinker,It does appear the Father did take the “full responsibilty”for the solution to man's sin problem and provided Jesus as the perfect sacrifice.Granted, Jesus did the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2009,15:02)If you believe this based on the scrripture you quote then you must also believe that if a believer does not forgive someone then God will not forgive them.WJHow do you see these scriptures properly interpreted?Mat 6:1415 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Mar. 26 2009,09:47)Seeking ………..it truly does matter to the LORD GOD how we view the creation and who He is brother. IMOlove and peace to you and yours…………………………………geneIs there more than one God?  A triad? Something else?Gen 1:1  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Joh 3:16  …[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 26 2009,10:41)Gene said:Quote Now we need to ask ourselves why would GOD the FATHER do that, Is it not that the Father takes full responsibility for all the sin of the earth ,Gene,John the baptist disagrees with you. He said that Jesus took awaythe sins of the world,God “took the responsibility” and sent Jesus.Joh 3:16…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 26 2009,08:15)Quote She didn't give a hoot about anything else except to thank us.Do you mean to imply that your daughter didn't find a need to parse it down to “Unitarian” – “Binarian” – 'Trinitarian” concepts, but simply thanked those who expressed that they had given her the Money? (We simply told her that WE were going…[Read more]

Quote I admit that angels were originally created with wills. Without opening a discussion regarding “Free Will” and the contention that there is only one will, God's (these have all been aired  ad infinitim previously)  allow me to ask the following.You admit angels were created with wills.  Perhaps you would extend that fact to man also, pe…[Read more]