Quote (david @ Aug. 30 2009,09:33)I'll check the gateway Bibles for example, one by one.  Here we go:New International Version–HeNew American Standard Bible–HeThe Message–HeAmplified Bible–He (with footnote that says: some manuscripts read “God”)New Living Translation–HeEnglish Standard Version–HeContempary English Version–He (with…[Read more]

BTW David, The KJ is like the second photo copy of the original hebrew bible…when you get down to your “many bibles” you start taking photocopies of photocopies of photocopies of the truth…I mean you still get the truth, if you appreciate an extremely watered down version of it.He is a significant water down of the word God and can completely…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 30 2009,09:36)Quote We believe ALL scripture, yet anti-trinitarians like to pick and choose…at least the ones on this board.One of us is picking and choosing a Bible.  They make many new Bibles.  The KJ was not the first English Bible.  It certainly is not the original Bible.  It was translated 1 1/2 milleniums after the ori…[Read more]

Going to repost this, because if I don't…the famous Anti-Trinnies on this board will make comments to the comments and not the original post (completely ignoring it).Phillipians 25Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 30 2009,09:40)Quote In the same reasoning, a son of God is God because He shares the nature of God.So, many people will become God?Quote Does having “divine nature” mean you're God?(2 Pet 1:4)David, Jesus was the only begotten Son…we are his Adopted Sons and Daughters…So no we will not become God.Only begotten means, only…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 30 2009,09:39)Can Jesus be God because HE shares the nature of His Father who is the Most High God.  A son of man is man because he shares the nature of man.  In the same reasoning, a son of God is God because He shares the nature of God.  He would not be the God who always existed though.  Therefore, He would not be the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 30 2009,09:31)The context of the surrounding verses (3-5, 7, 8, Dy) makes it clear how verse 6 is to be understood. The Philippians were urged: “In humility, let each esteem others better than themselves.” Then Paul uses Christ as the outstanding example of this attitude: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus…[Read more]

This is the same mystery and lack of understanding that anti-trinitarians have, yet trinitarians see clearly in The Word.We believe ALL scripture, yet anti-trinitarians like to pick and choose…at least the ones on this board.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2009,09:20)Hi R, So being in the form of God really means being God?Yes

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 29 2009,04:11)John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.Titus 1:1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 29 2009,07:43)Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 25 2009,05:42)I don't want to get lost from the original point of this thread, so I'd appreciate it TT if you could tell us if you still believe that YHWH is Jesus? If you still believe so, then I'd appreciate an explanation as to how that is possible given the fact that we are…[Read more]

A much better understanding for me is that….Jesus is the literal word of God that was given an identity, and humbled himself to become a human being.This humblization (if that's a word) was a statement to mankind, that we will not just be God's creation, we are now going to be his kin.Living on earth as a human and going through everything we go…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:59)Hi R,God is in Jesus, His Son.Adding justifications to the works of men increases the problem.I'm not justifying the works of men, I'm understanding who Jesus is…So far what I understand from an anti-trinitarian view is that…Jesus was a man that was born from a virgin. Which Means he was an ordinary man…[Read more]

Ok then to worship, praise, and call a Man like Jesus…your God would be Idolatry.Don't forget After Jesus' Ressurection he appeared to thomas and showed him that he was ressurected.Thomas replied in the manner….John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:54)Hi R, God does not need your help to reveal Himself. Your additions to what is sacred are less than helpful. What is written is that Jesus said he is the Son of God.It also says the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are one.It also says The Word was with God, Was God, and was made Flesh.The Bible has Jesus…[Read more]

BTW tradition does not only say that, scripture does to.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:34)Hi R, Yes tradition says that but scripture does not. Which will you choose if you have one teacher?Are you not a son of God? Does that make you GOD TOO?I am not The Son of God in the way Jesus was.Jesus was The Only Begotten Son of God.I am the Adopted Son of God, through faith.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:29)Hi R,So why not cast aside these human additions and just believe what scripture says.The Lord Jesus is the son of the God of Israel.Because without understanding Jesus as God The Son, or The Son of God…which is the same thing respectfully.Then praying to him or worshipping would be Idolatry.But when you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:24)Hi R, So Jesus lied when he said he is the son of God. you prefer him to be God? His own father?No, Jesus is rightfully The Son of God.The trinity doesn't say he is God The Father, it says he's God The Son…they are different in manifestation, but same in being.It is only 1 God….The unknowable Father, but…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 28 2009,07:21)HiR, So you think that the rationalisations of men justify upholding what God never taught?God didn't teach HE was a trinity because he's not…Man understands he reaches out to us through 3 identities, The Unknowable Father…The Son who came to earth, and The Holy Spirit that lives in us.All are God and of…[Read more]