Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,07:34)Hi RMN, If you want to be made like Christ then you do not need to seek virgin birth or any natural rebirth as Jesus told Nicodemus but to be reborn from above by the Spirit of God thus following him.Isn't that what I just said? lol, you're not even reading my posts anymore…because half the time, we are in…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,07:10)Hi RM, Does virgin birth mean Jesus was different from other men?Why?How?Was he a superman from conception?John was prophesied too so how different was he except in inspiration?Jesus gave the power to forgive sin to his brothers in Jn 20 so how did that change them? Was he so different that you cannot follow…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:56)Hi RM, Of course God did not die . The human spirit of Jesus left him at calvary but the abiding faithful Spirit of God stayed in him and raised him.So where is the disagreement?Rather God's Glory died, only to be raised in an ever more powerful presense to make the statement that God always prevails.It's a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:54)Hi RM, We too can have God in us expressing His nature and abilitiesby His Spirit.But we would be like Jesus, ordinary men made extraordinary by God's anointing and eternally enjoining Spirit.Virgin birth is not ordinary. Jesus Christ is the most influential man to ever exist and his numbers grow as time…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:37)Hi RM, God was in him working through him. He thus imaged and revealed God in nature and power.I agree…i've reliquished the ideas that Jesus is God…rather Jesus is the express image of God.He is God to all creation in respect to what he can and can't do in this world. But he is not actually So I have no…[Read more]

Remember an image can be ascribed whatever attributes you desire…but in being an Image of God himself…Jesus already obtained a glory above all creation.God could of left him with no abilities…but in agreement with you Nick, shared his divine spirit with him at Jordan.Maybe then Jesus came into realization of his true being…but being in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:25)Hi RM. Jesus is the Son of God not part of God.God enjoined himself to His Son by sharing His Spirit with him at the Jordan. We now can enjoy the same amazing eternal blessing by following the Son into his death and resurrectionIf you understand God Sovereignty you'd understand that everything is a part of…[Read more]

Revelations 17:14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

If we see Jesus as God's image…for him to say he is Lord of Lords and King of Kings doesn't change the view that Jesus is God's image.If you take a picture of a cow, The cow in the picture, is still a COW…but the picture of the cow isn't a COW….it's a picture.So even though Jesus is called Jesus and he is the reflection or image of God…he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:13)Hi RM, You will find this verse in very few editions of the KJV. It is not in other translations and removed from later versions of the KJV when it was shown to be added.Thanks Nick, But the verse is irrelevant to my message =PSo why bother debating on if it was added or not, it doesn't effect the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,06:06)Hi RM, I will bring up the thread.The sunlight is not the Sun is it?No it is not, but the glory the sunlight brings is of the sun.As is the Glory of The Father,is The Son.So like I said, Jesus is not God…he is God's glory. Which is Lord over all creation.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 14 2009,05:41)Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 14 2009,03:13)The word was with God, was God, and was Made flesh.The glory was with God, was God, and was made flesh.Jesus is The Glory of God——————————————————-There are three that bear witness in heaven, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit and these…[Read more]

When you say all have fallen short I would not include Jesus in that statement because the Bible also states Jesus was sinless.All have fallen short BECAUSE of sin, but since Jesus was sinless he could not have been included in that list.The Sole reason he was used as the sacrificial lamb because he was spotless.All have fallen short because the…[Read more]

Never said he always existed, no one knows that but The Father and himself.But Jesus DID pre-exist creation for he was born before creation so that creation could be made through him.The actual time before creation, could be a moment shorter than a second, to a timeline that we could never fathom…All we know is that he pre-existed creation…and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 14 2009,04:13)Kato…….Have correct my post. But if you would like I can get the Quote for YOU where Jesus said He could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, I also can give the quote where it says GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS AFTER THE COUNCIL OF HIS WILL, I also can get the quote for you where Jesus said He came (NOT) to do HIS WILL bit the…[Read more]

If you take a look at me and admire my teeth, it doesn't matter if you are looking directly at me, or looking at me from a mirror…You still admire my teeth.So whether you worship Jesus or God The Father…you are still worshiping God.That doesn't mean Jesus is God, but Jesus is God's reflection.Wrap your mind around that.

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 14 2009,03:58)RM…….There is (ONLY) ONE TRUE source of enlightenment and that is GOD the FATHER, Jesus was His (IMAGE) go and look up that word and you will find (REFLECTION, or MIRROR)  Even as the Moon reflects the (SUNS LIGHT). Jesus IMAGED THE FATHER TO US AND SO DO THE SAINTS OF GOD.  Your moving Jesus to GOD”S EQUAL i…[Read more]

Gene I will not let you seperate Jesus' special place with God…The Glory of any father is his children.Jesus is The only begotten Son of God…his place is above all things except his Father…Don't forget, stars are greater than the moon for the Sun is a star, and the Sun analogy wasn't a literal representation for all things, only God's…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 14 2009,03:38)RM…………better understanding would be GOD is the SUN and Jesus the Moon, and the Saints the Stars all reflect the light from the SUN (GOD) ONE GOD WHO ENLIGHTENS THE WHOLE WORLD and us ALL. IMOgeneIf that were the case then any death on the cross would have sufficed for payment for our sins.

Jesus was intended to bridge the gap that was between God and Humanity.God was not born like us, so our identity to him is totally different.But Jesus being God's Son, and kin to mankind happened through a virgin birth.He being related to The Father, yet related to mankind through Mary and being born as a human.This now bridges the gap and instead…[Read more]