Quote (t8 @ July 17 2006,06:41)I have read some posts here, mainly from Cubes in which RR is quoted.Can I just confirm that RR is saying that Joseph is the natural father of Christ, in the sense that Joesph knew his wife (or wife to be) and the result was Jesus. Then somehow Joseph forgot about the union. Did I read this correctly?t8You have asked…[Read more]

NickYou continuously ask questions but fail to answer when you are asked one.Both WhatIsTrue and I each asked you questions earlier in this topic that you have yet to answer.Quote From Me:The OT prophesies repeatedly state that the Messiah will come from the 'seed of David'.  How do you deal with this?From WhatIsTrue:Did the prophets get it right…[Read more]

Quote At this stage, all I can say is that I do not know the answer and can only pray that God makes it abundantly clear to me even as he has so far led me. I pray the same for you and others who may be in a similar position. I am glad we could engage in the discussion.Hi Cubes, Yes, it has been enjoyable. I shall leave you to ponder the many…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2006,00:10)Hi, What does “immaculate conception” mean? It is another catholic vocab word that implies human conception is dirty and Jesus could have had no part in it being of pure and perfect nature, a new creation, God Himself, placed in the womb of Mary. Does anyone agree this is all the truth?.Nick,The…[Read more]

t8I don't wish to take you up on your offer, at this time anyway.I am currently in a discussion with cubes using an article for the basis of our discussion. It seems to be working quite well for both of us at this stage and I need to focus my attention there.Thank you.

Hi CubesQuote Jesus repeatedly referred to God as his Father, and to my knowledge, to no other person.  While it is true that the Israelites considered God to be their Father, so did they acknowledge Abraham and the patriach's.  Jesus acknowledges David by answering to “Son of David” but also did clearly show through the scriptures that he is t…[Read more]

CubesQuote I didn't say they hastened to get married there (unless I said so elsewhere), but that she hastened to leave her new husband as it is not the way of newly weds.Sorry, my error, my apologies for quoting you wrong.

Quote Hi RR:  I am using this method to note my comments/questions as I read because I forget them when I go too far ahead:Good idea Quote 3.       The Sages teach that a woman never becomes pregnant on the first intimacy except by a miracle of HaShem.  So for Mary to have conceived on the first intimacy would be considered a miracle.  Whi…[Read more]

Quote (Cubes @ July 15 2006,07:49)Thanks, RR.  I realize that.  Who is Heli, do you think?  Joseph's mom?Hi CubesI do not think that Heli is female.  Women only appear to be mentioned in the geneology of Matthew when they are well known characters of the OT and then they are only mentioned alongside their husbands.

Quote (Cubes @ July 15 2006,02:55) My speculation ASSUMES that one set of the genealogy is Mary's, perhaps the one in Luke.CubesThe geneologies shown in Mark and Luke differ but in one area they do not.  They both show they are the geneology of Joseph.Luke 3:23-26  And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) [Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ July 15 2006,05:45)Ok RR but the point is that Mary was with child BEFORE Joseph married her.One was considered to be married at betrothal.  The following article may be of assistance.Quote Quote from: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/marriage.htmThe Torah provides very little guidance with regard to the procedures of a…[Read more]

t8Quote (t8 @ July 15 2006,01:17)Quote (Ramblinrose @ July 15 2006,18:04)1. “Origins” literally signifies a “going out,” hence a beginning or birth, and thus the verse is saying that the birth of the Messiah has been determined, or appointed, from everlasting.To RR,If origin equals birth, then why is it so hard to accept that Jesus origina…[Read more]

t8I tend to be more wary of those that rip versus from their context and run with them.  I feel the big picture stops this happening.  The verse must reflect the understanding of all that is being written.  This must then be in alignment with the OT and prophecy.I don't agree with not using links from articles on the internet.  Many people hav…[Read more]

KernchLuke 2:5 apograqasyai (to be registred) (5670) sun (with) mariam (Mary) th memnhsteumenh (promised in marriage) (5772) autw (his) gunaiki (wife) oush (who was) (5752) egkuw (with child) (IGNT)My understanding of the above would be as follows: To be registered with Mary, the one who had been promised in marriage, and was now his…[Read more]

CubesMicah 5:2But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. (NIV) 1. “Origins” literally signifies a “going out,” hence a beginning or birth, and thus the verse is saying that the birth of the Messiah…[Read more]

CubesMaybe we should move this discussion to the 'Conception – Was Jesus Conceived?' topic.  Your call.  

Hi Cubes,I am glad to see that the subject has at least created a small amount of interest for you and has not just been discarded. I would first like to ask if you have read all of the following article which covers much of what you are asking.  Virgin Birth – Fact or Fiction, True or FalseI agree that this article will not cover all aspects of…[Read more]

SeminarianSeminarianQuote Neither RR or Adam DENIED adhering to Dr. Paul Wierwille's teachings when confronted did they?  I have no idea who Paul Wierwille is.  You HAVE accused me falsely.If I post a comment and it happens to be similar to that of some ‘cult or cult leader’ that you are familiar with, am I going to have to defend myself each…[Read more]

Other translations of 1 Peter 1:2020 He was pre-destined indeed to this work, even before the creation of the world, but has been plainly manifested in these last days for the sake of you who, through Him, 21 are faithful to God, who raised Him from among the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are resting upon God. (wey)19 but…[Read more]

John 8:58bQuote Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV)1. Trinitarians argue that this verse states that Jesus said he was the “I am” (i.e., the Yahweh of the Old Testament), so he must be God. This is just not the case. Saying “I am” does not make a person God. The man born blind that Jesus healed was not claiming to be God, and he said “I am the ma…[Read more]